Public backlash begins

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

So can be driving your car or riding a motorcycle. If a car hits a bike it comes out of the traffic account... (apparently)... because I don ride my bike for work.

Over all your ACC in your PAYE covers you for anything (and I mean anything) you do as a private citizen ias above including driving and riding a motorcycle so in theory the extra levy should only be a top up. And the accounts need to be rejoined to the one super account they use to have.

[babey8]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

Recombine all the accounts, as ACC was not designed to have these seperate accounts and the more cross subisiding the better it works. Drop evey single levy they have for collecting ACC we have at present, so instantly every one gets a PAY rise since that levy is no longer in your PAYE.

Put ACC levy on GST to compensate there solved... the only thing business have to do is up their GST on their product. The IRD goons do the rest as it is their job.

its on petrol, booze every thing you buy and sell, covers yah paper cuts, it covers your tourists and covers cyclists and bikers as you are paying it on every thing you buy for you bike. It covers those that are working, even kids when will be paying ACC out of there pocket money.

A 2.5% increase in GST to 15%, would then easily raise around $10 - 15 billion which is what ACC requires (and more) and we would be fully funded in one year. (ACC only requires 5 billion a year to operate, and is believed they require 24 billion to be fully funded, they have 11 billion so far.)

If only 1% was added to GST ACC would be fully funded in 2 or three years. If GST went to 15% ACC would be fully funded in one year and could then be dropped back back to 1% to carry it on.

Remember GST is still 12.5% and businesses can still claim this back as normal but they won't be able to claim the levy back which is their ACC levy

[bogan]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

you still dont get it. There is no reason for motorcyclists to be singled out in such a way, there are many other high risk minority groups who pay nothing to ACC, all groups must be treated the same (human rights...) whether this means going to a private insurance scheme (do not want) or abolishing the levy increases (for a start) is largely up to the non-bikers of NZ.

[Pixie]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

Ha ha Babyarse.Your ACC car levy is going up to $500 in 2010/2011

[Foxzee]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

FFS...do you actually think through your fucked up logic before you share it.....................

[Drew]

Drop evey single levy they have for collecting ACC we have at present, so instantly every one gets a PAY rise since that levy is no longer in your PAYE.

Employees DO NOT pay ACC levies, with PAYE or otherwise. It is a cost to the employer only, should they decide not to self insure for work place injuries.

No one gets a pay rise if the current collection is scrapped but employers. Works for me, but I'm a minority.

[Drew]

FFS...do you actually think through your fucked up logic before you share it.....................

Erm, this is perfectly logical.

Example, Fletcher group do not pay ACC anymore. They self insure for work place accidents. Worked out cheaper for them to pay the medical bills themselves.

How is that different?

[Ixion]

Sorry, (almost) all employees definitely do pay an acc levy, collected along with PAYE. A right pain it is come income tax calculation time, too.

[phred]

I think history/fiction will tell us that Mary was the mother of Jesus not God, no one really knows where God came from (possibly Utah?) or from whom for that matter, thats an even greater mystery.

Yes BUt where does Utah come from - thats what I want to know.

[phred]

you still dont get it. There is no reason for motorcyclists to be singled out in such a way, there are many other high risk minority groups who pay nothing to ACC, all groups must be treated the same (human rights...) whether this means going to a private insurance scheme (do not want) or abolishing the levy increases (for a start) is largely up to the non-bikers of NZ.

+1
WHole point of Woodhouse principle. Society as a whole benefits then society as a whole pays equally. No fault. No blame. No targeting. No "no claims". No excess. No right to sue. No Lawyers getting rich. No profits leaving NZ. NO FUCKING INSURANCE

[Maha]

Yes BUt where does Utah come from - thats what I want to know.

Utah was once the ocean floor, millions of years ago (way before Gods time) it rose from those watery depths and was left high and dry with a somewhat 'salty' look and feel about it.

[MSTRS:Me]

Utah was once the ocean floor, millions of years ago (way before Gods time) it rose from those watery depths and was left high and dry with a somewhat 'salty' look and feel about it.

Bit like the tidemark around one's bath?