The Other Side Of The Coin

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We need to be seen to be accepting of the fact that our shit does in fact stink and we are prepared to do what it takes to clean up our own back yard.

I agree - but we can't account for others who may fuck things up for us.


As I said I'm not concerned with public opinion. It is unlikely to change to any real degree in our life time.

Buttering up to the public will do us fuck all good as far as levy increases and eventual privatisation...this aint being done cause we are naughty or expensive - it's being done because policy makers think they can force their agenda through on what they believe is a small disorganised rabble.

[mashman]

we have to also remember that every post on kb is possibly read by a newsagent or the like

I thought newsagents spent their days trying to see through scratch cards against the light!!!

[Katman]

Buttering up to the public will do us fuck all good as far as levy increases and eventual privatisation

Absolutely. (Having said that, pissing the public off will do us no favours).

We need to show ourselves as a group of mature individuals that recognise that we have faults that need to be addressed.

Only then will we have the credibility to get our message across.

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Absolutely. (Having said that, pissing the public off will do us no favours).

We need to show ourselves as a group of mature individuals that recognise that we have faults that need to be addressed.

Only then will we have the credibility to get our message across.

Thats the long game - right now we need to respond with maximal impact...what good is a compelling message if it doesn't get heard?

[Katman]

Thats the long game

Don't I know it!

If there was a widespread move towards addressing our own problems everything else would fall into place.

[Skyryder]

There was a letter to the Ed in the Press the other day about some guy complaining about a group of bikers of the Akaroa Rd. Seems these guys were booting it t abit anyway the letter writer stated that he was no going to support the bikers in their ACC protests becasue of the way these guys rode.

First thing I thought was that he was, in all probility, against us anyway so no loss. But I think in practice there needs to be some sort of self discapline in our everyday riding. Just not a good look to blatently disregard the rules when cagers are in the vicinity.

Every supporter we lose goes over to the other side.


Skyryder

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many new zealanders already have an (unjustified) anti-biker mentality (im pretty fucking sick of it personally), simply because they notice bad (by thier perception) behavior from the minority, and dont notice the normal behavior, basic human psychology.

bit like the anti-cyclist mentality a lot of people also have then?

[Katman]

bit like the anti-cyclist mentality a lot of people also have then?

You do realise hypocrisy is a dirty word on this site, don't you?

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You do realise hypocrisy is a dirty word on this site, don't you?

I'd better go wash my mouth out with soap

[scissorhands]

Respect can be earned in varing ways, usually by paying dues, selfless work, or mother natures old fachioned way, by instilling fear with a show of strength and determinaton, and a quick response.

I aint waving at no drones on the way to the mall, so as they will like me. Next I'll have to put an appearance in at church cause I havnt been seen there for awhile.

People also respect those who are on a motorcycle because they would love to be on one too, and experience the thrill. Maybe like a penis envy sort of thing.

Those who are antibiker, probably have behaviours that many bikers find obnoxious. Like boy bands or shopping