You're nuthin
As I said in post 5 - this is aiming to low. It's just being a nuisance.
We need to cause so much inconvenience, expense and concern that the public are asking the government to quell our discontent
Government tampering with our civic entitlements will be seen as the root cause of an eventual backlash.
They have the power to make us stop whatever action we take from here on in
Hardcore Biker
Originally Posted by dpex
Ah shopaholic that is NOT FOR SURE ME.. .but tis xmas but once a year... and where do I spend the few earned pennies I have, BUT AT THE MALL, well if these levies come about thats $500 less from me to spend at THE MALL...
Just food for thought!
Fully Foxed
Good try. I did ask for something better though. Not just the same old rhetoric.
You don't have to agree with the way the vast majority of bikers want to approach the issue. You could at least respect that they are trying. Understand that public relations is far more important than being able to high five your mates "didja see how pissed off they were?" Even the gangs understand that.
Fully Foxed
Fair enough and your entitled to your view. However, it's not the mall raising your levies. It's not Ma and Pa raising your levies. The public onside is worth far more than offside.
You're nuthin
Calling all weak, subdued, apathetic drones....Ronin wants to whinge on a biker forum and maybe go on a nice group ride down to Wellington next year some time. He might even yell a catchphrase or two....
Now who's with him?
For whom the bell tolls
Short-circuit... how about you hit up all the biker gangs in NZ and get them to join in on your little parade. I'm sure it's exactly the image that rest of the NZ motorcycling public wants directed towards the rest of the population.
It's not that I don't have balls, or a union, and I know what a decent riot looks like. I have a head on my shoulders, and I use the thing which it contains - my brain - to think, and look at the wider consequences of my actions and their affect on others. Maybe it's the fact that I'm studying Psychology, or maybe I'm just brighter than you, but while I don't want to pay levies which are not justified, nor do I want ACC to change from being no fault, but I would like for the changes to be stopped with at least some level of support from the New Zealand public - not because they are sick and tired of us causing a disruption to their lives, but because they understand how the changes to ACC will be affecting them in the long run.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Hardcore Biker
And have they done a survey to say how the mall owners may respond... just curious.. I think maybe dpex should send a sensible letter to the mall owners to get their feelings on it... to me its the parking space (if you spend money, your entitled to park there)... I never spend much when I go to a mall (only xmas) to be honest as I hate them, I go to wander around cause the kids like it... I take up a space for 2 hours or more seriously... when you offer parking no matter if the person owns the land or not... you have to have a damn good reason to expel them from your land, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE A RECEIPT OF PURCHASE.
There is rarely a decent amount of parking for bikes, so maybe the malls should be aware of this... if the numbers are high at these protests, possibly 2 bikes per space to apease the ma & pa's and the shopaholics...
NB: I can rarely find a park at the best of times anyway thats not a fair distance to walk... so whats the difference.
Trying to be a good dog
Thats right! Lets have another punch up! Wooohoo I'm getting my moneys worth here alright
You're nuthin
Well doing nothing certainly won't be detrimental to "our" image...
it won't do fuck all for our cause either
For whom the bell tolls
Tell me where I said 'do nothing'?
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Fully Foxed
Whups, there we go. Reverting to type. Didn't take long did it?
Like I said. Your entitled to your opinion, free to do what ever you want. If you want to believe that me making my own informed opinion makes me weak and apathetic then go ahead. Doesn't make you right.
The bit I have trouble with, and feel free to help me out with this. Is why you feel that pissing people off is the only way to get a result. Were you ignored in the cot? Unpopular at school? The psychology fascinates me.
Fully Foxed
Do we really have to use innocent people as pawns though. That's what I'm uncomfortable about. I don't care about the legal right or wrong of it.And have they done a survey to say how the mall owners may respond... just curious.. I think maybe dpex should send a sensible letter to the mall owners to get their feelings on it... to me its the parking space (if you spend money, your entitled to park there)... I never spend much when I go to a mall (only xmas) to be honest as I hate them, I go to wander around cause the kids like it... I take up a space for 2 hours or more seriously... when you offer parking no matter if the person owns the land or not... you have to have a damn good reason to expel them from your land, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE A RECEIPT OF PURCHASE.
There is rarely a decent amount of parking for bikes, so maybe the malls should be aware of this... if the numbers are high at these protests, possibly 2 bikes per space to apease the ma & pa's and the shopaholics...
NB: I can rarely find a park at the best of times anyway thats not a fair distance to walk... so whats the difference.
Fully Foxed
Define nothing. I'm pretty sure you may have it wrong.
For whom the bell tolls
If the changes do happen (they may not), then there will be some serious anger directed at the government... then non-peaceful protest will be justified, as long as it is pointed in the right direction.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
You're nuthin
How does "image" or "perception" actually generate the type of political pressure needed to effect a change in policy direction?
As I've said elsewhere: There is another current thread about Bikers and charities - we do heaps in this area but has it changed perceptions? There was StoneY's thread (attempting to remedy the fuck up made by a tit on a Harley at the Bikeoi), which many feared might undermine the exemplary behaviour by 7000 of the rest of us.
Public support would be a bonus but the main issue focus should be causing a headache for this government. Again the aim of industrial action by those in the health, education and primary social services is not to harm students, patients or citizens...although those are the groups affected until government makes the changes needed to make the pain go away
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