Westfield Mall Protest

[jeffs]

Hit the malls and put our flyers under winsdcreen wipers. Information out without pissing any off. Could still do it as a group of bikers if you still want to make a visual statment.

You are right Oakie there are other ways.

If this goes ahead, it seems the people doing this are not interested in making a statement about ACC levies. They just seem to want to piss people off to show they can.

As I have said before, if bikers are against this, why do you think non-bikers will support you ?

How many bikers have to tell you this is a bad idea before you listen ? Or is that the point ? you just don't care who you piss off, as long as you piss someone off.

[Tank]

Hit the malls and put our flyers under winsdcreen wipers. Information out without pissing any off. Could still do it as a group of bikers if you still want to make a visual statment.

Westfield actually charge you to place items on windscreens in their carparks, and you have to give a commitment to collect any rubbish that results from it (or pay a fee for cleaners).

From a mate that wanted to do it at Westfield Albany about a month ago.

[CookMySock]

Whether you agree with direct-action by protestors or not, you should take care not to undermine it as it makes us look divided and weak, and presents opportunities for the enemy to drive the wedge.

Steve

[Mully]

Westfield actually charge you to place items on windscreens in their carparks, and you have to give a commitment to collect any rubbish that results from it (or pay a fee for cleaners).

From a mate that wanted to do it at Westfield Albany about a month ago.

I would be stunned if Westfield would give permission for these flyers to be placed anyway - regardless of rubbish collection.

It could be done quickly (i.e. one or two people per level) before Mr Plastic Badge cottons on and throws people out.

Not that I would condone such a thing.

EDIT: Or, they could stand at the exits of the carpark, handing them out to people leaving. As long as they're on the footpath, the mall can't do anything about it (see my comment about Council bylaws above).

[jeffs]

Whether you agree with direct-action by protestors or not, you should take care not to undermine it as it makes us look divided and weak, and presents opportunities for the enemy to drive the wedge.

Steve

I believe in direct action, but I do not believe pissing off Christmas shoppers is the direct action bikers should take !. If the action is not unanimous than yes it will split us, as it is not unanimous Don't do it.

How many people have to tell you this ?

[Pinstripe]

yeah nah, not cool.

legitimate technique i suppose, but youre just pissing off the wrong people.

I wouldnt leave yer bikes unguarded either...

[klingon]

Hit the malls and put our flyers under winsdcreen wipers. Information out without pissing any off. Could still do it as a group of bikers if you still want to make a visual statment.

Westfield actually charge you to place items on windscreens in their carparks, and you have to give a commitment to collect any rubbish that results from it (or pay a fee for cleaners).

From a mate that wanted to do it at Westfield Albany about a month ago.

If you do put flyers on windscreens, the helpful staff at Westfield will
a) kick you out of their carpark and
b) remove every flyer you have distributed.

DAMHIK

[CookMySock]

I believe in direct action, but I do not believe pissing off Christmas shoppers is the direct action bikers should take !. If the action is not unanimous than yes it will split us, as it is not unanimous Don't do it. How many people have to tell you this ?

This is an independant liberal free society, and you have no say in what other groups do, or do not do, regardless of what you believe.

Perhaps I might turn up on your doorstep and state what I believe and suggest that you must comply with it? No? I did not think so.

NO action taken on KB so far has been unanimous - there will always be those who disagree, and that will never change, but they should not actively take steps to destroy the freedoms, efforts, and intentions of others, on the basis that they disagree, just as I may not with you.

Steve

[jeffs]

As you said DangerousBastard its a free world, but in your free world, other bikers opinions counts for shit.

No one can stop you going to Westfield, but enough people have asked you not too that perhaps you should listen. I am just one voice, who you seem to have taken a personal dislike too, read the other replies on this thread saying the same thing.

Do you do this to everyone who disagrees with you ?

Now start to get real. If you want numbers so you can make a statement and you want to do something more placid than parking in a car park.

Go to 18 Sale St and voice you opinion to ACC direct. If you do something like that I will join you, and so will all the other people you think are trying to de-rail your protest. There you can be just as disruptive as you want, and you won't have non-bikers running your bikes over.

BTW the first protest I was on over ACC, had just 15 bikers, and that one cause the police to sent 2 police cars to check us out.

[jeffs]

Sorry Dangerousbastard just re-read the thread. you are not advocating to do this, just stop telling people that they should not

Ok I have had my say, I will now move on.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Whether you agree with direct-action by protestors or not, you should take care not to undermine it as it makes us look divided and weak, and presents opportunities for the enemy to drive the wedge.

Steve

Speaking of driving wedges.

Wedge 1. Inconveniencing and pissing off the public by obstructively hogging car parks that they want and need in order to go about their business. Alienate 90 % of the public instead of gaining their support. That is just plain Stoopid. Massive wedge

Wedge 2.
Proceeding with a course of action when the great majority of your peers are against it. Alienate your peers to get a message across, that you claim represents their opinions??? That's as dumb as the justifications for the ACC levy increase.

Who's undermining who around here? Ignoring the majority of your peers is exactly the problem that we are protesting isn't it?

Modify your approach to one of getting the message out to win support by increasing the number of targets/exposure without inconveniencing anyone rather than one of simply pissing people off in the hope that their displeasure with you, will somehow result in you getting your own way. Be smart, swim with the current.

All it takes for us to succeed is to properly and coherently get the (ACC Rort) message out there. Communication is our best and most effective tool. Protest action that relies on obstructing peoples lives is piss poor communication and the tool of neanderthal fuckwits like bikie gangs.


Reading through this thread I can't see any proposed message from any of the few supporters or the proponent (cept some day dreaming that starts with "imagine"). Who's bringing the banners? Who's bringing flyers to hand out? Who's handing them out? What is the message that is to be delivered???.. Come on guys, get serious. Just what exactly is the point of swamping a carpark? We may as well all go buy Harleys and play show boat http://www.megavideo.com/?v=T0HT9YDY so everyone starts referring to us as 'Fags'.

Wait for the link to load and watch what will happen as a result of your proposed selfish protest

[jeffs]

I'd watch it flyingcrocodile46 he'll stop liking you as well

[Usarka]

I'm going to set fire to cars! Fuck em and the holdens they drove in on! I hope none of you cunts show division by distancing yourselves from it

[CookMySock]

Sorry Dangerousbastard just re-read the thread. you are not advocating to do this, just stop telling people that they should not Ok I have had my say, I will now move on.

Thats all cool, bro.

I'm not defending anyone or advocating anything, except the right for all of us to do as we choose, and observing that when its YOUR turn to choose, I have a responsibility not to damage it or undermine it. Consequently, the reverse would apply.

Steve

[Oakie]

Can we agree that while it is not cool to damage or undermine another member's plan, that it is OK to council that member against it in a constructive manner?

Now can we all go and have a group hug followed by a rousing chorus of 'Kumbaya'.