Westfield Mall Protest

[jafar]

Sorry we won't be there Westfeild carparks are private property and out beef is with the acc and goverment not westfields.

I agree , I'm not interested in causing any disruption to Westfield either, we need to do this right or don't do it at all.

[gunnyrob]

Not into the Mall protest either. There is the BRONZ Toy Run next week if you want to get involved with a high profile event. They are keen on people wearing T shirts to it. www.bronz.org.nz

[Swoop]

Not into the Mall protest either. There is the BRONZ Toy Run next week if you want to get involved with a high profile event. They are keen on people wearing T shirts to it. www.bronz.org.nz

A damn sight better PR approach.

[dpex]

Wonderfully coherent response. Got anything better?

Yeah, well he has a point, Ronin. You may have noticed that sundry teacher/doctor/nurse/radiologist/bus-driver strikes caused the public far more grief than a diminished car-parking facility will ever do.

But it is NOT the eye or ear of the public which really matters. It is those organs belonging to various Nats which we seek to keep alert to the fact that the Bikoi was not the last they will see of us.

Meanwhile, I would greatly appreciate learning your personal plans and efforst to push the cause.

[dpex]

He was a gay homosexual wasn't he?

For the record, Oscar Wilde was British Heavy-weight boxing champ for quite a long time, and fathered 103 children during his lifetime. But he pissed off some very powerful people and got set up as a homosexual and slung in Reading Gaol for two years.

He wrote a mind-blowingly descriptive poem about his experiences. It's named, The Ballard Of Reading Gaol.

He had an immense intelligence and was about as gay as Phar Lap.

[dpex]

Speaking of driving wedges.

Wedge 1. Inconveniencing and pissing off the public by obstructively hogging car parks that they want and need in order to go about their business. Alienate 90 % of the public instead of gaining their support. That is just plain Stoopid. Massive wedge

Wedge 2.
Proceeding with a course of action when the great majority of your peers are against it. Alienate your peers to get a message across, that you claim represents their opinions??? That's as dumb as the justifications for the ACC levy increase.

Who's undermining who around here? Ignoring the majority of your peers is exactly the problem that we are protesting isn't it?

Modify your approach to one of getting the message out to win support by increasing the number of targets/exposure without inconveniencing anyone rather than one of simply pissing people off in the hope that their displeasure with you, will somehow result in you getting your own way. Be smart, swim with the current.

All it takes for us to succeed is to properly and coherently get the (ACC Rort) message out there. Communication is our best and most effective tool. Protest action that relies on obstructing peoples lives is piss poor communication and the tool of neanderthal fuckwits like bikie gangs.


Reading through this thread I can't see any proposed message from any of the few supporters or the proponent (cept some day dreaming that starts with "imagine"). Who's bringing the banners? Who's bringing flyers to hand out? Who's handing them out? What is the message that is to be delivered???.. Come on guys, get serious. Just what exactly is the point of swamping a carpark? We may as well all go buy Harleys and play show boat http://www.megavideo.com/?v=T0HT9YDY so everyone starts referring to us as 'Fags'.

Wait for the link to load and watch what will happen as a result of your proposed selfish protest

I'm sorry. I must have missed something. Is there any mention here (on any thread) that you, or in fact any on this site have been invited to attend the various protests at the malls?

Gee. Maybe I missed something.

[Ronin]

Yeah, well he has a point, Ronin. You may have noticed that sundry teacher/doctor/nurse/radiologist/bus-driver strikes caused the public far more grief than a diminished car-parking facility will ever do.

The difference is that in the public eye the perception was that your average sundry teacher/doctor/nurse/radiologist deserved what they were asking for and the public were generally supportive. My take on public support for the bus drivers was that it was very poor. While there was sympathy for their plight, it didn't extend to supporting their industrial action.

But it is NOT the eye or ear of the public which really matters. It is those organs belonging to various Nats which we seek to keep alert to the fact that the Bikoi was not the last they will see of us.

I agree that we need to keep the pressure on the Nats etc. As stated before. I do not and will not agree that the Mall plan is the way to do that. The view of the public may not be important to our very specific campaign over levies. However, I do feel that the issue is bigger than just the bikers arguments of it hitting our back pocket.

Meanwhile, I would greatly appreciate learning your personal plans and efforst to push the cause.

And I thank you for your interest. I plan on voicing my opinion, discussing the issues and joining in protests that I am comfortable with and that I feel will further not just our cause, but that of the public in general.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Gee. Maybe I missed something.

Yeah! consideration of your fellow bikers wishes is but one of many 'things you missed'.

Fuck knows why you posted your poorly conceived ideas here at all. It's pretty clear that you couldn't give a fuck about anybodies opinions except your own.

In my book, that makes you a self absorbed arsehole that is a danger to all around you.

Hopefully poor attendance of your demonstration will be as big an embarrassment to you, as you are to your peers.

[Voltaire]

I'm sorry. I must have missed something. Is there any mention here (on any thread) that you, or in fact any on this site have been invited to attend the various protests at the malls?

Gee. Maybe I missed something.

Is The dpex protest invite only?
or is it going to be just you and the lady from Sideswipe?

[PrincessBandit]

For a mass "park in" protest to work (by filling almost every possible space so that car drivers miss out) you would need far more bikes that could probably be mustered. Drivers will simply go to another mall, or drive to another section of parking space (and mall car parks, especially the Westfield ones are pretty expansive).
Just as a suggestion, what if bikes were to fill a large portion of parking space with banners stating something like "all these places will be taken by cars if ACC levy increases go ahead. We will be here for 30 minutes [or somesuch shortish time period], sorry for the inconvenience". It might sound a bit wishy washy but then at least people will know why the bikes are there and what they're demonstrating, and know that it is for a finite time period not 4 hours (or whatever the max. parking period is allowed).
Something such as that, stating how long the parks will be taken for shows at least some compromise or degree of wanting to be understood.

[Swoop]

For a mass "park in" protest to work (by filling almost every possible space so that car drivers miss out) you would need far more bikes that could probably be mustered. Drivers will simply go to another mall, or drive to another section of parking space (and mall car parks, especially the Westfield ones are pretty expansive).

From what I have seen at D'Auckland malls, the drivers will crash into the bikes while trying to park between them. End result will be a bike laying under an SUV while some dopey bint will be wondering why she spilt her coffee when "parking"...

[PrincessBandit]

From what I have seen at D'Auckland malls, the drivers will crash into the bikes while trying to park between them. End result will be a bike laying under an SUV while some dopey bint will be wondering why she spilt her coffee when "parking"...

Hahaha, yeah, seen some pretty brainless parking techniques around here! Might just have to park the bikes in a pretty herring bone pattern across the mouth of the parking spaces - that way we can still move out easily enough but there's no space to squeeze in between...
No playing sardines with cars!

[idleidolidyll]

dumbest move i think so far was alerting the media to a protest that never happened.

how to ensure the media will ignore us?: cry wolf and waste their expensive time

[Mully]

dumbest move i think so far was alerting the media to a protest that never happened.

how to ensure the media will ignore us?: cry wolf and waste their expensive time

I wondered about that too - even the "well, it'll happen, but we ain't saying where" might have had the same effect. The media, IMHO, wont wan't to be geared up to send people to Albany, Manukau, Westcity, etc on the off chance that that's the target mall.

Meh, I don't really care. I thought it was a terrible idea.

[Gubb]

Tank was right. Protest Fail.