you're wrong AGAIN, Nick. Critique please

[mashman]

Devils Advocate.

Why do we make up 10% of accident statistics if we only make up 2% of the road using fleet?

If you want to point the finger at our accident rates, you better be able to back it up with us being at fault for the accident!

[Katman]

If you want to point the finger at our accident rates, you better be able to back it up with us being at fault for the accident!

58% of the time we are at fault or have a shared responsibility.

(According to LTNZ figures).

[mashman]

58% of the time we are at fault or have a shared responsibility.

(According to LTNZ figures).

Is that multi vehicle accidents?

[Jantar]

Irrespective of where or how ACC come up with a claim number, the official accident rate put forward by the MoT http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...ewZealand2008/ is 1446 killed or injured. As it is a requirement that ALL injury accidents on the road are notifiable to the police we can safely assume that this is also the maximum number of claims to ACC in that year from motorcycle accidents on the road. Any number of claims higher than this must be from off road motorcycle accidents that ACC have included in the road account.

[Reckless]

Irrespective of where or how ACC come up with a claim number, the official accident rate put forward by the MoT http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...ewZealand2008/ is 1446 killed or injured. As it is a requirement that ALL injury accidents on the road are notifiable to the police we can safely assume that this is also the maximum number of claims to ACC in that year from motorcycle accidents on the road. Any number of claims higher than this must be from off road motorcycle accidents that ACC have included in the road account.

Bingo give that man a medal!!!

And one of the main basis of their $77-00 argument is that car drivers shouldn't pay for bikes yet quite permissible to work out the figures on dodgy numbers and then send you a bill for my off road accidents!!
That should be a main point in our fight! Yet no one seems to highlight this point?

Btw where are cyclist road accidents paid from?? The general fund or our road account??

[Jantar]

Bingo give that lady a medal!!!....

Who you calling a lady? Even if I was female I wouldn't be no lady.

[Reckless]

Who you calling a lady? Even if I was female I wouldn't be no lady.

Oh fuck sorry mate many apologies!! Don't know why the hell I did that the aviator maybe! DUH moment there! Post edited Bling sent!!

[Badjelly]

...As it is a requirement that ALL injury accidents on the road are notifiable to the police we can safely assume that this is also the maximum number of claims to ACC in that year from motorcycle accidents on the road. Any number of claims higher than this must be from off road motorcycle accidents that ACC have included in the road account.

Or from on-road motorcycle accidents that were not reported to the police, requirement notwithstanding?

[NONONO]

58% of the time we are at fault or have a shared responsibility.

(According to LTNZ figures).

WTF, LOL.
Of course we have a SHARED RESPONSIBILITY, we were on the road when they hit us. FFS.

[yod]

Btw where are cyclist road accidents paid from?? The general fund or our road account??

I guess they'd come from the general income levy? what is it now 1.5%?

[Reckless]

I guess they'd come from the general income levy? what is it now 1.5%?

Does anyone know for sure?

[caseye]

FYI Mr McLea has been writing leters to teh editor in the harold today, Just a small 2 paragraph joby, telling the editor and joe public that motorcyclists are continuing to propogate the "myth that they are not responsible for most of their accidents, words to that eftect.
he signs himself off as ?McLea general manager ACC
Hey i asked my self, self! where'd he put that last bit, you know the 'INSURANCE' part that we who submitted to the ACC got back by way of reply.
I hope you've all written, again, as I have, to the ACC Complaints dept, the national Gubbermint , the opposition parties and the harold asking how it is that the ACC has ALREADY BECOME AN iNSURANCE COMPANY.
This guy has used our money and I'm sure time to write to the herald specifically to discredit us! Where does he got off.
Letter by way of reply off to the harold Editor tonight.
Keep up the digging Ixion.They're becoming somewhat lopsided I reckon.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

FYI Mr McLea has been writing leters to teh editor in the harold today, Just a small 2 paragraph joby, telling the editor and joe public that motorcyclists are continuing to propogate the "myth that they are not responsible for most of their accidents, words to that eftect.
he signs himself off as ?McLea general manager ACC

And there lays another problem... ACC is a no faults so it does matter who is at fault even if it was 100% motorcycle rider error ... it does not matter as it is "no fault"...

[twinkle]

Btw where are cyclist road accidents paid from?? The general fund or our road account??

Only if the accident involves a road registered vehicle does it come from the road account, if it doesn't it comes from another fund (the general fund I suppose).

[Reckless]

Only if the accident involves a road registered vehicle does it come from the road account, if it doesn't it comes from another fund (the general fund I suppose).

So if they cannot even separate the off road and on road bike accidents how can they do that sort of separation.

And if a certain amount is coming from the Road Account how much of the car rego is covering these accidents! Now that would be an interesting figure!
Could be a very good way to attack the $77 amount.