Why is the Maori Party supporting ACC bill?

[Ronin]

Wouldn't expect you to pick up on it - to you it's apparently normal:

All depends on your interpretation of what was said and the intent with which it was said.

If it's racist to you then good on ya. I however beg to differ.

[dpex]

I'm just structurring up an email myself to him.

Here is my draft...... what do you think (ignore the spelling)?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

In your speech regarding the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Amendment Bill, you state that "The March 2008 report of Statistics New Zealand revealed that Māori have significantly higher injury rates by occupation, with 155 injuries per 1000 fulltime-equivalent workers, compared with 111 for Pākehā. It is higher particularly in occupations such as agriculture, fisheries, manufacturing, and trades. There are also significantly more injuries in lower-paid occupations, where Māori are overrepresented."

The obvious point you are making is that this is not right, and I agree.

I wish to bring to your attention the proposed Motorcycles Levy changes, where there are significant increases, that ACC states are primarily driven by higher injury rates, claims rates and costs as they are overrepresented compared to other road users.

Note that it is ACC's position is that this is appropriate, fair and reasonable, in their proposal documents, media statements and nationwide news paper advertisements.

So if indeed we argree that Maori are dissproportionally impacted, as are motorcyclists, then the parallels are obvious, the conclusions are simply unpalatable.

This leads us to the absurd, where, were we to accept ACC's position regarding Motorcyclists is appropriate, then their position should also be that Maori should pay higher levies than non-Maori.

Can you please let me know your position on the proposed Motorcycle levy increases.

Cheers ears etc

>>>>>>>>>

Excellent riposte. I'm looking forward to the response.

It follows the same argument can be leveled at other significant risk groupings.

Well done.

[dpex]

dpex, I don't think Tourists are covered by ACC. I think they get given a bill if they go to Hospital.

I think only NZ residents are covered? Perhaps someone could clarify?

Sorry P. You're misinformed. Tourists are covered for accident up to and including your and my entitlements. However, they are not covered for non-accident illness.

The tourist's entitlements to ACC are, in fact, a logical extension of one of the prime directives of ACC, ergo, 'Thou shalt not sue.' Thus, were tourists, or in fact any non-national covered by ACC they could sue a national through a NZ court.

[Mudfart]

So your saying that rather than get arse raped by one you would rather bend over and be gangbanged by all the hangers on as well,fuck MMP.Jesus there already stitching us up,carbon credits fuckers laid waste to everythingstill are and they want carbon credits,as i say fuck MMP."BROWN BASHING" be fucked,bludgers are bludgers no matter what colour there skin and deserved to be called so.

No, I'm saying that it was well known that if National was voted in, the Maori party was going to be voted in with them, that they are riding on nationals coattails. Just as when Labour got in, we all knew the Greens would be THEIR bedfellows.
And the reason that the Maori party are giving their support for the ACC bill is fairly bloody obvious isnt it? They are taking a bribe, kickback, what ever you want to call it, by "coming" to an agreement on giving Maori a shitload of land to plant trees on.
Pine trees or marijuana, or both.
Also, it leaves other deals open for discussion eg/ foreshore and seabed etc etc....
All I can say is, the Nats and Maoris are really gonna bleed the taxpayers, whereas the Labour and Greens I felt, were more reasonable with policy and decision making.
I was told yesterday that my job is to be privatised by xmas next year AT THE LATEST. Cool, I cant wait for my HUGE pay cut......
YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[crazyhorse]

Because they can............

[StoneY]

It just shows the retarded, backward hicks there are in this country..... "I voted National simply because Labour had been in too long".
Lets forget THINKING about our vote, and INFORMED choices.

BINGO!

I was a public servant and PSA rep when these clowns were voted in, apathy is what got JK the top job, and I for one blame all the useless bastards who got pissed off with 'Nana State' mentality....I would rather have been Nana'd than fuckin sold out, and we all knew it would happen

No one knew it would happen all in year 1 though did they?

[kave]

My brown arse does not support them either.
But threads like this always seem to end up bashing.
At the wash up they will have some big questions to answer, to a lot of people.
My point was to keep the focus where it belongs.

The focus belongs on the government. The three polical parties in power are National, Act and the Maori party. The National party needs either one or the other of their partners to pass anything. Our chances of discouraging Act from supporting a move towards user pays are roughly the same as a snowballs chance in hell (and justifiably so, they are doing exactly what they were elected to do).

Our chances of pressuring the Maori Party are higher. They are already under fire for appearing to act in a manner that disadvantages their constituents and seem to be in the process of earning a reputation of supporting big (Maori) business instead of the common man. They are coming across as the Maori version of Act, but their constituents are generally leftwing. A big gesture is really required by them to put them back onside with voters. We should ensure that we can provide the opportunity for them to make the grand gesture (carrot), and also ensure that their constituency understands that if the Maori Party fail to oppose this, they are acting directly against what would be best for Maori in New Zealand (stick).

[Mudfart]

The Maori party might appear left wing to other Maori's, however I get the impression they are extreme right wing with militant cells. They just do whatever they want, take for example the Tai tukerau MP who just went to Paris and sent the racist email. He said, "I don't give a stuff what the NZ taxpayer thinks, I only care what the people of Tai tukerau think".
And Stoney, I feel for ya, PSA are in BIG trouble. They just got an email recently that said upto 12,000 of them are gonna lose their jobs. Thats largely from the medical sector, nurses etc... and you know why? Because hospitals, A and E clinics etc are up for sale. PRIVATISATION, everyone wins!!! NOT, it just temporarily bulges the treasury coffers before the next election to make Nats say, "Look how well we have done in govt, vote for us again", and the tards will. Then all the MP's will give themselves a HUGE WELL DESERVED PAY RISE.
And heads of various departments too, like the treasury minister who just GAVE HIMSELF an extra $40,000 a year payrise. Thats more than I earn in a year.

[NONONO]

The Maori party might appear left wing to other Maori's, however I get the impression they are extreme right wing with militant cells. They just do whatever they want, take for example the Tai tukerau MP who just went to Paris and sent the racist email. He said, "I don't give a stuff what the NZ taxpayer thinks, I only care what the people of Tai tukerau think".
And Stoney, I feel for ya, PSA are in BIG trouble. They just got an email recently that said upto 12,000 of them are gonna lose their jobs. Thats largely from the medical sector, nurses etc... and you know why? Because hospitals, A and E clinics etc are up for sale. PRIVATISATION, everyone wins!!! NOT, it just temporarily bulges the treasury coffers before the next election to make Nats say, "Look how well we have done in govt, vote for us again", and the tards will. Then all the MP's will give themselves a HUGE WELL DESERVED PAY RISE.
And heads of various departments too, like the treasury minister who just GAVE HIMSELF an extra $40,000 a year payrise. Thats more than I earn in a year.

Hey Mud
As a PSA delegate in health I would be extremely interested in that email. You sure about the figures? From where? 12, 000 from medical?

[NONONO]

From PSA site

« The double standards in public sector pay
Roundly misleading »
ACC reforms bad news for both workers and employers
By Richard Wagstaff

The public must be mystified that an organisation like ACC with more than $10 billion in reserves is in such financial strife that the Government is forced to reduce pay-outs and put up levies. And why, they may wonder, if ACC is such a financial liability, are private insurers lining up to get a slice of the action?

The truth appears to be that this ACC crisis has been manufactured to prepare the public for its privatisation. For years, ACC worked perfectly well as ‘a pay as you go’ scheme. It was- and still is- the envy of the world, a no-fault accident compensation scheme that provides security for workers and employers alike.

Now it’s deemed to be $4.8 billion in the red because it is required to “pre-fund” future obligations. However, as Tim Hazledine, Professor of Economics at the University of Auckland, pointed out in the NZ Herald, this is a bit like asking parents to pay upfront to meet the future obligations to their children. Since that sum would be several hundred thousand dollars, most parents could be deemed to be “broke; busted; bankrupt”.

Interestingly, employers are not so enamoured with the idea of handing over ACC to private insurers. “Having a full private insurance market won’t provide stability in the premium setting market, and it would make more forecasting and budgeting work for employers,” says Paul Jarvie, Occupational Health and Safety Manager for the Northern Employers and Manufacturers Association.

The only winners from privatising ACC are the same as those who benefit from the expensive and dysfunctional US health system – multinational insurance companies and the lawyers.

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[knuckles24]

i think they call it kickbacks, you scratch my back and i'll give you a couple of million

[st00ji]

tis interesting to see where former PMs end up

all the ones i can think of have pretty sweet jobs!

as for the maori party... they call themselves 'the maori party' you want to talk about playing the race card! fuck. trouble is they dont seem to really represent the majority of maori (at least not the ones i know) so the names a bit misleading.

[wingrider]

Perhaps there is someone here that will know more about Maori protocol.

I believe that the two most influential areas of Maori Mana seem to come from the Ratana Church at Wanganui and the home of the Maori King Turangawaiwai Marae in the waikato.

What would happen if we were to ride and present letters to their leaders advising that we believe their elected leaders were selling the majority of their people down the river without their waka and that all increases associated with ACC levies is going to put a very heavy burden on their people? Would need to be very polite and observe strict protocol.

Way off beat I know but I remember that when elected JK wasted no time in visiting both and thanking them for their support.

Is it time we asked if this was the support intended?

Already the cracks are appearing within the general Maori population and we might get a very favorable response. Lots of very unhappy BRO about.

Just a thought.

[Mudfart]

Hey Mud
As a PSA delegate in health I would be extremely interested in that email. You sure about the figures? From where? 12, 000 from medical?

This is from an email we received through CANZ.
By the way, the privatisation of prisons was rushed through parliament last week...and was passed. With the supporting votes of the Maori party.
My job is to be privatised by xmas next year "at the latest".
If all 4 new prisons are privatised, it costs the taxpayer an extra $7000 per prisoner per year. With double bunking of cells in the new prisons, its gonna cost the taxpayer an extra 24-30 million per year to pay the contractors who buy the jails.
Hey its what you Nat voters wanted, it makes the Nats "look" good.
Next is the medical institutions, education facilities (you can kiss easy access to student loans, and tertiary education goodbye), and there is even talk of privatising sectors of police. Cool, dial 111 and get rentacop at your door.
YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NONONO]

This is from an email we received through CANZ.
By the way, the privatisation of prisons was rushed through parliament last week...and was passed. With the supporting votes of the Maori party.
My job is to be privatised by xmas next year "at the latest".
If all 4 new prisons are privatised, it costs the taxpayer an extra $7000 per prisoner per year. With double bunking of cells in the new prisons, its gonna cost the taxpayer an extra 24-30 million per year to pay the contractors who buy the jails.
Hey its what you Nat voters wanted, it makes the Nats "look" good.
Next is the medical institutions, education facilities (you can kiss easy access to student loans, and tertiary education goodbye), and there is even talk of privatising sectors of police. Cool, dial 111 and get rentacop at your door.
YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any chance I could get hold of a copy of the email?