Dom-post this morning (28 Nov)

**wingrider** · 28th November 2009, 09:55

the letters to the editor contains a reply to two previous individuals.
i dont have time to cut and paste it ( perhaps someone else may be able to.)

My reply is as follows

Thoughts please

In response to Kieth McLea General Manager ACC (letters 28th November).

Firstly it was your department that singled out Motorcyclists as bearing the highest rise in levies to be imposed, This was done in all media releases from your department and the Minister with little or no mention to other proposals.

What did you expect our response to be?

You now state that you are also raising levies on “High Risk” others like Cyclists and Rugby Players through the earners levy. You are therefore admitting that you intend to penalise Motorcyclists twice.

With no disrespect to the others mentioned, there would be a much higher level of Non-Earners within those two groups as apposed to Motorcyclists. Also these two groups represent a much higher cost per injury than a motorcyclist as per your own department’s statistics. With (little or no) contribution as a direct levy payable,does the amount of cross subsidy from all other levies approach the $77 sum you state is paid to motorcyclist from car drivers?

Playing rugby or riding a cycle is a lifestyle choice enjoyed by many. Just as Motorcycle riding is.

ACC was never intended to segregate user groups. It was always intended to be where one person assisted the other should they have an accident, irrespective of their chosen lifestyle, occupation or circumstance. Fairness, affordable and equality.

Your other comments on investments, income and sustainability have been discredited by many using your own published statistics.

With your affiliation by way of your appointment by the National party, the only creditable statement you could now offer the public is.
“I resign, and will be gone by lunchtime”.

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th November 2009, 10:05

Originally Posted by wingrider

You now state that you are also raising levies on “High Risk” others like Cyclists and Rugby Players through the earners levy. You are therefore admitting that you intend to penalise Motorcyclists twice.

With (little to) no direct levy on rugby etc, I wonder if the amount they are subsidised by all the non-participants will be approaching $77...

Originally Posted by wingrider

With your affiliation by way of your appointment by the National party, the only creditable statement you could now offer the public is.
“I resign, and will be gone by lunchtime”.

**nothingflash** · 28th November 2009, 10:15

Originally Posted by wingrider

With no disrespect to the others mentioned, there would be a much higher level of unemployed within those two groups as apposed to Motorcyclists.

Hi there - I think this would be difficult to prove...

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 28th November 2009, 10:17

Originally Posted by nothingflash

Hi there - I think this would be difficult to prove...

would be just as difficult to dis proove it as well...

but I do agree with yah

**crazyhorse** · 28th November 2009, 10:30

I agree too

**red mermaid** · 28th November 2009, 10:35

When he talks about rugby players I think he may be referring to the large playing group in the main, eg: All Blacks, Super 14 teams, NPC teams.

You only have to look at the large support group they have for there teams with trainers, physio's, etc to see where a large chunk of ACC payments are going.

**Nasty** · 28th November 2009, 10:39

Originally Posted by red mermaid

When he talks about rugby players I think he may be referring to the large playing group in the main, eg: All Blacks, Super 14 teams, NPC teams.

You only have to look at the large support group they have for there teams with trainers, physio's, etc to see where a large chunk of ACC payments are going.

I agree they would be talking about professional paid players.

**wingrider** · 28th November 2009, 10:46

First post edited. to reflect your comments

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 28th November 2009, 10:47

Originally Posted by red mermaid

When he talks about rugby players I think he may be referring to the large playing group in the main, eg: All Blacks, Super 14 teams, NPC teams.

You only have to look at the large support group they have for there teams with trainers, physio's, etc to see where a large chunk of ACC payments are going.

I believe the All Blacks and most of the Super 14 and professional have their own physio's etc which isn't coming out of ACC but being paid for by the regional clubs and NZRU etc...

My guess is most of the rugby accidents on the ACC bill would be school and non professional levels

**BMWST?** · 28th November 2009, 10:52

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

I believe the All Blacks and most of the Super 14 and professional have their own physio's etc which isn't coming out of ACC but being paid for by the regional clubs and NZRU etc...

My guess is most of the rugby accidents on the ACC bill would be school and non professional levels

agreed and there are a LOT of people who play rugby,prolly as many as there are motorcyclists.If you include rugby league the number must be huge.AND its a contact sport where by definition you are LIKELY to be injured.

**wingrider** · 28th November 2009, 10:54

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

I believe the All Blacks and most of the Super 14 and professional have their own physio's etc which isn't coming out of ACC but being paid for by the regional clubs and NZRU etc...

My guess is most of the rugby accidents on the ACC bill would be school and non professional levels

Thats what I thought as well.

**NONONO** · 28th November 2009, 10:54

With your affiliation by way of your appointment by the National party, the only creditable statement you could now offer the public is.
“I resign, and will be gone by lunchtime”.
Nice, very nice.

**oldrider** · 28th November 2009, 11:09

Originally Posted by NONONO

With your affiliation by way of your appointment by the National party, the only creditable statement you could now offer the public is.
“I resign, and will be gone by lunchtime”.
Nice, very nice.

I enjoyed that little "left jab, right cross, left hook, combination" too!

Good on you, it definitely "was" very nice!