No change at ACC yet

[NONONO]

Well then. ACC have just set their battle lines. What are we going to do about it???

Just on the boycott theme, money being the only thing that matters to these bastards...I wonder how many bikers bought/sold a house via a certain estate agency in the Bay?

[Pixie]

Well,I was going to put my bike rego on hold,but now I think I'll put my car rego on hold too.

[mrchips]

The lies ! I still can't believe the blatant & misleading scaremongering from the government on this. What else ?

Oh well I'll just have to be a good lil average nz'r & bitch & complain at 3am on radiolive talkback (cos that'll work).

[bogan]

Well,I was going to put my bike rego on hold,but now I think I'll put my car rego on hold too.

thats a fucking good idea. I only use my van for supermarket/shopping and MX excursions, so unlikely to get ticketed in any parks there

EDIT: and wtf is with the lies, they have been clearly and simply disproven by us, yet they still trot them out at any excuse, makes me rage

EDIT2: will probly only need to have vehicles on hold for 18 months ish, as if national get elected again I reckon thier first task would be fully privatising ACC, and if labour ACC should go back the way it was (hopefully). In saying that we still gotta do all we can to stop this crap!

[MacD]

Has ACC subtly changed it's position regarding the "16 times more likely" line that it's been using? I'm sure they were saying "more likely to have an accident" whereas the article uses the phrase "more likely to make a claim".

I wonder if ACC is having to clean up it's use of statistics under pressure from the campaign? More importantly, is it correct?

[bogan]

Has ACC subtly changed it's position regarding the "16 times more likely" line that it's been using? I'm sure they were saying "more likely to have an accident" whereas the article uses the phrase "more likely to make a claim".

I wonder if ACC is having to clean up it's use of statistics under pressure from the campaign? More importantly, is it correct?

no, most definetly incorrect, mot figures show bikers are about 4x more likely to have an accident per vehicle registration, the 16 times comes from a survey 10 years ago and the 16 times is per distance travelled, and bikers on average do less k's than car drivers, which is taken into account in the mot data.

The 16x more likely to crash could be debated to be true as they have just neglected to state it is per km, but the 16x more likely to make a claim is a blatant lie (just add it to the pile of bs they are already spewing out)

[NONONO]

no, most definetly incorrect, mot figures show bikers are about 4x more likely to have an accident per vehicle registration, the 16 times comes from a survey 10 years ago and the 16 times is per distance travelled, and bikers on average do less k's than car drivers, which is taken into account in the mot data.

The 16x more likely to crash could be debated to be true as they have just neglected to state it is per km, but the 16x more likely to make a claim is a blatant lie (just add it to the pile of bs they are already spewing out)

The other, less well publicized argument is x4 times/8 times/16 times, more likely than who? Nth times more likely than a 15 year old in daddies BMW? Nth times more likely than the grandad doing 60 on the motorway without his glasses? Nth times more likely than mum taking her kids to school? Nth times more likely than the kid driving the 10 yer old hatch with the big unpainted spoiler and tin can exhaust? Nth times more likely than the P'd up long distance truck driver or the knackered sales rep?
Nth times more...well...you get the picture.
And the other point is that it's predictive, more likely. Not certain to or has had....
Statistical results and the interpretation thereof, depend on the questions asked and the data input. In this case both the question asked by ACC and the data relied upon to answer the question are flawed.

[Elysium]

EDIT2: will probly only need to have vehicles on hold for 18 months ish, as if national get elected again I reckon thier first task would be fully privatising ACC, and if labour ACC should go back the way it was (hopefully). In saying that we still gotta do all we can to stop this crap!

It still irks me how the general public don't care or are unaware how privatising ACC will screw them as well. All I hear is bloody bikers whinging they say.

Did you miss the bit where Ix and Stoney said it's just the beginning?

Too late

And here's Carver and Sidwinder being snaped by a member of the public

[R6_kid:Me]

Like I keep saying - fuck public perceptions it's about time for militant action

Here's a gun.

Go shoot yourself.