Ulysses please explain why you're selling us out

[idleidolidyll]

what he said but without copying all of it

Thanks Tank; it is noted that this is the official position but Smiths comments were very clear and I would still like to know whether the Prez of Ulysseus thinks he is negotiating for us all, whether he is indeed conceding increases for training funds etc

The clubs position may not square with what is actually being said and only a comment from the horses mouth will really put this to bed.

As I've already said: Smith was caught lying again last night so his credibility is low: I'm prepared to believe and accept the Prez over and above Smith if he deigns to comment but if thew general riding public discover Ulysseus do in fact sell out for some training $$$$; I reckon there will be hell to pay.

I'm not a member but I'd like to know if people think they speak for me and if organisations are negotiating their own cosy settlement like the Maori Party did on this very issue.

[idleidolidyll]

I do not think BRONZ would consider itself to have a mandate to "make deals" on behalf of motorcyclists.

Now THAT is right thinking stuff

We can advocate for motorcyclists in general, and express what we believe to be the opinion of the motorcycling community ; and convey information and opinion to that community.

But I do not think that any motorcyclist has expressed any agreement for BRONZ (or any other organisation) to strike a deal on his or her behalf.

We may intimate to TPTB that we think that such and such would be generally acceptable or unacceptable to motorcyclists, but that would as far as we would go.

ya see, this kind of talk makes me want to send you a membership fee but i suspect it'd be returned with a polite letter

[idleidolidyll]

Nick has not been in direct contact with the minister at all
Ulysses have made NO deals, Nick is lying

Thanks stoney and thanks to the prez at ulysseus for stating absolutely that Smith is a liar.

I hereby retract all implied or spoken condemnation of Ulysseus and offer my apologies to all members.

Mind you; the one thing I don't retract is that Ulysseus do not represent me.

[idleidolidyll]

In all honesty Peter Mac rang me up and tore me a new one, and deservedly so

Ulysses stepped up on the BIKEOI
We swallowed Nick's hook, line and sinker, and he reeled us in, and were meant to know a troll when we see one...sigh

Peter e-mailing me soon, I will post his statement up

Actually it has NOT been a wasted debate: it has clarified that Smith IS indeed a bald faced liar and made it clear that Ulysseus are not gonna play his game.

I don't regret the first post and PM should NOT have torn you a new one; he should be more pissed at Smith and send us a copy of his angry email to Smith refuting his bullshit

[idleidolidyll]

Dear Minister Smith

We came in numbers with only 3 weeks to prepare our campaign sir, if we have to return again we will, and even bigger, to remind you we are not trout’s, we are not stupid, and we DO remember

Regards,

Brent Hutchison
BIKEOI Organizer

Big credit to you for that

[Mom]

I keep getting asked by the media what organisation I belong to, who am I affilliated to? My honest answer is NONE, NOT ONE. I am here representing myself as a motorcyclist, though it appears I have many friends. I have managed to get some media attention. I dont plan to change my approach to the media, this is not about organisations, or groups or any other damn thing! This is about ACC being turned into something it was never designed to be while the biking community gets royally screwed in the process. Well fukem I say! I am here for long haul.

[idleidolidyll]

the media like well tied up little bundles: they are impotent when dealing with a 'club' without a leader

if BRONZ dropped the objection to disruption I'd be happy for them to negotiate for me

[Flip]

Has anybody got a friendly Labour MP? Would they like to ask tricky Nick in the house why he is lying to the media again?

[StoneY]

Has anybody got a friendly Labour MP? Would they like to ask tricky Nick in the house why he is lying to the media again?

Done
Meeting Phil Goff tomorrow night for a wee chat
Also have 4 of the Labour caucus that have me on 'trusted sender' list now

[StoneY]

Actually it has NOT been a wasted debate: it has clarified that Smith IS indeed a bald faced liar and made it clear that Ulysseus are not gonna play his game.

I don't regret the first post and PM should NOT have torn you a new one;

Oh he was actually a lot nicer about it than I would have been man
And after his two TV stints today, even more credit to him

Anyway, he made a good reply, and I think you will soon see a more targeted response to Nicks so called 'agreement'

[Ms Piggy]

Tonight Nick Smith told the crowd at the Akarana Royal Yacht Club that Ulysseus had agreed to accept levy increases in exchange for a portion of that money being set aside for accident prevention.

Hi idleidolidyll - can I respectfully request that you change the title of your post to reflect the fact that Ulysses do not support the proposed ACC Levy increase? Thanks, Ms Piggy.

[idleidolidyll]

Hi idleidolidyll - can I respectfully request that you change the title of your post to reflect the fact that Ulysses do not support the proposed ACC Levy increase? Thanks, Ms Piggy.

I actually tried to do as soon as I saw Brents replies that but you can't edit the Title: only the post

Hang on a sec; I'll change the post itself............................done!

[Mully]

I actually tried to do as soon as I saw Brents replies that but you can't edit the Title: only the post

Hang on a sec; I'll change the post itself............................

Pretty sure a Mod can do it if you ask nicely.....

[idleidolidyll]

Pretty sure a Mod can do it if you ask nicely.....

my relationship with most of the mods would probably preclude that and I can't think of many from whom I'd ask nicely for much of anything

however; methinks the new first sentence will do

[Ms Piggy]

I actually tried to do as soon as I saw Brents replies that but you can't edit the Title: only the post

Hang on a sec; I'll change the post itself............................done!

I'm pretty sure you can if you hit the "go advanced" button after you're in 'edit'.