Important message for all bikers to read - They are trying to ban you!

[Pixie]

From another thread:

Posted by Candor:

ACC is a signatory to the National Road Safety Committee memorandum of understanding - which is advised by and reports to the European Commission and World Bank, which funds it's transport safety research on us.

The secrecy clause in the MOU means ACC cannot consult about and has to do what it's told by NRSC, and is bound by the secrecy agreement not to tell us what that is - only OIAs outpower that.

I spent several days recently reading the NRSC advisors meeting minutes (10,000 pages) under an OIA they fought 6 mths to stop being honored - after ombudsmen etc we finally got in.
What I picked up about MCs is this

1) the targets set for toll and injury reductions require reducing mc injuries a la reducing mc use.

2) Various road safety chunks are allocated to each Govt Dept with a CEO on the NRSC
3) ACCs 2 special projects starting this year are safer vehicle tech and mc's

The World bank advisors take money from industry for their global road safety psartnerrship advice group - the one that deals with the NZ case study.. particularly from several auto manufacturers
One policy advice is for Govts to fund tv ads promoting safe car tech... hmm.
One of their policy advice was for our Govt to get a report on promoting low alcohol beer for road safety... hmmm.

Adding all this up plus the knowledge I have from talking to ACC and NZTA staff who hold a genuine belief mcs are coffins on wheels (likely due to GRSP mentors indoctrinating them) I believe they believe the way to do claims management is to force you into other transport modes.

Most of the civil servants aren't rocket scientists nor have cause to suspect stats fired at 'em. Told MCs have 16x the risk (equals drunk risk) they have likely trusted this "fact" among a whole raft of propaganda.
The world bank controller of NZ road safety is an award winning propagandist - noone can write 400 page documents that repeat BS in 500 different ways better than he can - NOONE. Civil servant must reads!

There are only about 3 key persons pulling the strings on road safety in NZ since 1995 - but the problem is that they are inbred megalomaniacs with absolute faith in the nonsenses they dream up. And unfortunately are also very credible and impressive despite their qualifications not being gold plated (BEcs circa 1960's). They have friends in high places and are imo as a psych nurse narcissists. We luckily stopped one getting Wellingtonian of the year with a letter campaign to the dom post.


Posted by Buellbabe:

Who's behind it all?

Well there are a number of conspirators and yes! make no mistake! There IS a conspiracy.

On my way to Welly for the protest I had a very interesting and eye opening convo with the cop who was riding with us (yes with us! he is a biker who happens to be a cop).

He is an older guy, has been around and has been privy to some pretty top level-behind-closed-doors stuff.

When I said to him that it feels like there is some master plan to get rid of motorbikes he said "yep there is and LAND TRANSPORT are behind it. Its their aim to have ZERO motorbikes on NZ roads by 2050".

Apparently their original plan wanted bikes gone by 2030 but they grudgingly conceded that might be a bit difficult. This cop has been in meetings and seen big posters on the walls with a picture of a bike inside a circle and yes you guessed it...a big slash across the circle...


We have got one mother of a fight on our hands people!
Its no joke to say that whats happening now is just the beginning.

[scumdog]

On my way to Welly for the protest I had a very interesting and eye opening convo with the cop who was riding with us (yes with us! he is a biker who happens to be a cop).

He is an older guy, has been around and has been privy to some pretty top level-behind-closed-doors stuff.

When I said to him that it feels like there is some master plan to get rid of motorbikes he said "yep there is and LAND TRANSPORT are behind it. Its their aim to have ZERO motorbikes on NZ roads by 2050".

Apparently their original plan wanted bikes gone by 2030 but they grudgingly conceded that might be a bit difficult. This cop has been in meetings and seen big posters on the walls with a picture of a bike inside a circle and yes you guessed it...a big slash across the circle...




We have got one mother of a fight on our hands people!
Its no joke to say that whats happening now is just the beginning.

THAT is the kind of thing I'd love to get more info on/see!

Wanky shiney-bummed pen-pushers deciding how THEY would like to run OUR lives for their own agenda!!

[huff3r]

All i can say is good luck to them. They arent keeping me off a bike on the road!

[gtr boy]

had a quick read through your post
dont think it will ever happen myself...........
but if things get expensive and more expensive like its going to be from this acc at the mo i will just take my number plate off and ride like the devils on my tail..............or get a trailer plate..........

[Sidewinder]

fuck acc who cares now get over it

[h211]

Hmm thats interesting. The movie Surrogates comes to mind...

[AllanB]

Typical of pen-pushers - what they need is some foresight - don't BAN motorcycles just redesign them to be more suitable to save costs - here's a fine example of what we could all be riding.

[AllanB]

On a slightly more serious note ...

If you believe a certain number of world experts by 2050 it will not be motorcycles they need to worry about but how the heck they are fuelling any form of transport!

When the expensive stuff runs low surely a simple economical motorcycle engine will be encouraged by Governments around the world.

[MarkH]

On a slightly more serious note ...

If you believe a certain number of world experts by 2050 it will not be motorcycles they need to worry about but how the heck they are fuelling any form of transport!

When the expensive stuff runs low surely a simple economical motorcycle engine will be encouraged by Governments around the world.

No matter what powers the vehicle this would be true!

If battery powered then less power is needed to recharge the batteries on a motorcycle/scooter than on a car.
If Ethanol powered then less crops need to be grown, therefore requiring less land that could otherwise be used to grow food, for running bikes vs cars.
Even currently the world supply of fuel oil will be used up more slowly by bikes than by cars.

Basically 200KG of motorcycle takes less fuel to move from one place to another than 1500KG or more of car/van/SUV. Considering how many cars are driving around with a single occupant the waste should be obvious. The heroes of the energy crisis should definitely be the motorcyclists! My scooter required less resources than a Prius to build and transport to NZ and it uses less fuel, less parking space and contributes less to congestion on Auckland's roads. So just how environmentally friendly are those fuckin' hybrids?

[Pixie]

Typical of pen-pushers - what they need is some foresight - don't BAN motorcycles just redesign them to be more suitable to save costs - here's a fine example of what we could all be riding.

The combination of a foresight and a rearsight lined up on their foreheads would do the trick

[jeffs]

At least there is a silver lining. By 2050 I will be dead, either by bike ( if ACC stats are correct ) or old age if my doctor is right.

With levy increases it seems to be getting very expensive to die young, and with an aging population, too expensive for the government to have me live until i'm old.

Don't you love going through life, and constantly feeling like we are all ( the people ) nothing more that an Inconvenience ?

[Creeping Death]

Hahahaaaa...I went to the protest on an unwarrented,unregestered bike!
I win!
Lol!

[Molly]

That makes interesting reading but governments come and go as does the latest folk devil. Most politicians couldn't find their arse with both hands so I'm not overly concerned about any long-term agenda they may or may not have. Most can't see beyond their next expenses fraud.

Motorcycling is just too enjoyable to ever die. Can I get a 'Hell Yeah!'?

[Dadpole]

But where do the black helicopters fit in?

[dipshit]

That makes interesting reading but governments come and go as does the latest folk devil. Most politicians couldn't find their arse with both hands so I'm not overly concerned about any long-term agenda they may or may not have. Most can't see beyond their next expenses fraud.

What's politicians got to do with it..?? They aren't the ones that come up with major policy directions for all of the reasons you brought up.