AA supports motorcycle levies

**gammaguy** · 4th December 2009, 23:06

Originally Posted by Kinje

From Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...clause-slammed

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it.

The AA supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount.

its the AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION after all...since when were we expecting them to care about motorcycles?

we need to have our own house in order,and never expect any support from an organization that has publicly stated on a number of occasions that it would like motorcycles banned off the roads completely.

Now some people have voted in a government that would probably be happy to give them what they want if they can get away with it.

it s OUR move......

**oldrider** · 4th December 2009, 23:25

Originally Posted by wynw

What a suprise, they have been anti bikers for years...so no longer a member! tossers dont seem to class bikes as automobiles after all

Nor bikers as respectable responsible citizens either!

AA are not a symptom of this ACC levy debacle, they are the root cause!

**jeffs** · 4th December 2009, 23:51

Originally Posted by mowgli

This is a draft. My letter will evolve over the weekend as I think about it some more.

While AA are throwing stones and since everyone we talk to seems to like statistics, perhaps you should include some of AA insurance UK's in your letter.

It did not work in my submission to the ACC but you are writing to the AA.

a small clip of my submission.

"Where the fault is completely attributable to biker only related claims, levies based on this are understandable. But since no CAS ( Crash Analysis ) data seems to be available in NZ to identify the exact ratio of Car on Bike incidents I can only refer to the UK figures provided by the UK AA’s web site ( Automobile Association ) of 80%. I have used these figures because the UK AA being an insurance company have done its figures to ascertain premium levels.

Quote.
“Simon Douglas, director of AA Insurance, says: “Tragically, 80% of all motorcycle accidents are the fault of road users other than the motor cyclist. For car and commercial vehicle drivers it’s very easy to miss seeing an approaching motorbike, especially in congested areas.” http://www.theaa.com/insurance/news/...torbikers.html. "

**Voltaire** · 5th December 2009, 06:51

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

I take it that it was this excerpt that you noted?

Although it seems to me that it reads that they had concerns about motorcycle safety and similar rises in cycle crashes. When read in conjunction with other sections of the minutes I took it to be in relation to concerns over the need to raise motorists awareness of Cyclists.??

As you say. They would be a better Allie than enemy

Yeah that one, interesting that the AA picked up on that motorists were the main cause of cyclist injuries/deaths......pretty obvious I thought.
But, maybe the Cyclists group called the meeting to get the AA to see it from their side.
A meeting between Bronz and the AA might clear the air, and who knows...maybe like in the Christmas Truce of WW1 when the enemy meet they realise they are the same and are being manipulated by those at the top.
( that only lasted a couple of days in some sectors....until the top brass got them back to the war)

**Jantar** · 5th December 2009, 07:19

Originally Posted by gammaguy

its the AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION after all...since when were we expecting them to care about motorcycles?.......

This has been covered many times before. When the AA was first set up, more than a few decades ago, The definition of Automobile was any self propelled vehicle. This included motorcycles. The AA servicemen who first went to the scene of a breakdown travelled by motorcycle even.

Its only in very recent times that they have tried to use the term Automobile to exclude motorcycles.

**twotyred** · 5th December 2009, 07:26

Originally Posted by Nasty

silly people - AA membership cancelled.

make sure you tell them why...LOUDLY

**Nasty** · 5th December 2009, 07:27

Originally Posted by twotyred

make sure you tell them why...LOUDLY

Trust me I did ... hehe

**Voltaire** · 5th December 2009, 07:47

I thought about cancelling but whats that going to achieve.

I wote them a letter about the pathetic stance taken on the Northern Gateway and the ACC levies.

I suspect the AA has got this way due to not having any engagement with motorcyclists.
Lets engage them.

I'll post up my response, If I don't get one I'll go and see them.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 5th December 2009, 08:05

Originally Posted by Voltaire

I thought about cancelling but whats that going to achieve.

I wote them a letter about the pathetic stance taken on the Northern Gateway and the ACC levies.

I suspect the AA has got this way due to not having any engagement with motorcyclists.
Lets engage them.

I'll post up my response, If I don't get one I'll go and see them.

Good for you Volti. You may well be right. Take Les, Mom & Peggy with you.

**PrincessBandit** · 5th December 2009, 08:12

We took our bike insurance to Vero (Dave Golightly) in CHCH as the AA here in Auckland would not insure me at all when we first got the Ginny (their excuse - they don't insure any motorcyclists who is not on a full license). After I passed my full they still told me "no sorry, you have not had your full for at least 2 years".
I wish I'd thought to ask them at the time why they don't do the same for beginner car drivers.....but suspect the answer would have been a load of tripe and waffle.

**Voltaire** · 5th December 2009, 09:24

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

We took our bike insurance to Vero (Dave Golightly) in CHCH as the AA here in Auckland would not insure me at all when we first got the Ginny (their excuse - they don't insure any motorcyclists who is not on a full license). After I passed my full they still told me "no sorry, you have not had your full for at least 2 years".
I wish I'd thought to ask them at the time why they don't do the same for beginner car drivers.....but suspect the answer would have been a load of tripe and waffle.

The same David Golighty who told me I was not covered for the recent HMCC rider training day at Hampton Downs....
Still the Vintage Car Club ( also VERO) said yes to the FUCACC ( Darmah) for a mere $ 3000.00 excess...

**Voltaire** · 5th December 2009, 09:27

PM me your good and bad ACC experiences, I'll compile them and arrange to go and see them, with a list of questions from members/ex members.

As most members who have motorcycles also have cars ( Spank Me being the exception)

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 5th December 2009, 09:31

Originally Posted by Voltaire

As most members who have motorcycles also have cars ( Spank Me being the exception)

me another... but me other half does...

**Pixie** · 5th December 2009, 10:30

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

I've had similarly great service from AMI over the last 12 years, but well appreciate that all it takes is someone with 'issues', for whatever reason, to taint a good run with an insurer.

Incidentally I've still to confirm the details of insuring semi or unregistered motorcycles with AMI in case I have to go to 'plan B'

Please post when you get some info