Time for a NZ Motorcycle Alliance?

[scissorhands]

Maybe some alliance is already appearing from the vapours. Its structure only starting to take shape...getting everyone under the same roof is a good idea, then theres also other diverse ACC affected groups

[AD345]

Unlikely to happen over just a cost increase (IMO anyway).
Better that BRONZ et.al try to join with the CTU and others to fight on a broader front in this particular case.
To get the likes of an ABATE off the ground (which is what I think you're looking at) you need an issue that is seen as threatening bikers/motorcyclists "rights"
The levies just hit our wallets.
If the fight is about ACC and not just the levies then the attack needs to be more than just us

[Conquiztador]

Unlikely to happen over just a cost increase (IMO anyway).
Better that BRONZ et.al try to join with the CTU and others to fight on a broader front in this particular case.
To get the likes of an ABATE off the ground (which is what I think you're looking at) you need an issue that is seen as threatening bikers/motorcyclists "rights"
The levies just hit our wallets.
If the fight is about ACC and not just the levies then the attack needs to be more than just us

And that's cool. So it should be. Bikers joining forces with other groups that are affected.

But if you think that the only thing that ever will happen to bikers is this one ACC increase, then you will get a shock. Have a look at some of the European countries and what is in place there. In Germany you can not do any modifications/changes to bikes. Not allowed to change handlebars, tank, footpegs, muffler etc. w/o re-certification. In Finland you have to start riding with a 125cc or smaller bike. For two years before moving up. And there is heaps more. Before you know it we will have it here. And more. To fight it we need to have the numbers and the cohesion.

One day you will sit there and say: "There was this old guy on KB that wanted us to unite to have a stronger voice. If we only had listened..."

[Farab]

And that's cool. So it should be. Bikers joining forces with other groups that are affected.

But if you think that the only thing that ever will happen to bikers is this one ACC increase, then you will get a shock. Have a look at some of the European countries and what is in place there. In Germany you can not do any modifications/changes to bikes. Not allowed to change handlebars, tank, footpegs, muffler etc. w/o re-certification. In Finland you have to start riding with a 125cc or smaller bike. For two years before moving up. And there is heaps more. Before you know it we will have it here. And more. To fight it we need to have the numbers and the cohesion.

One day you will sit there and say: "There was this old guy on KB that wanted us to unite to have a stronger voice. If we only had listened..."

I like your idea. I'm just thinking why have a "NZ Motorcycle Alliance" and not a "NZ Alliance" Why don't we form a more generalised lobby group to tackle all these sorts of attacks against us? That's why they get away with bullshit left right and center, because there is no united front against laws and regulations they churn out every 5 minutes. The old established groups are too specific and therefore lack membership IMO. The problem is people need to get it through their heads, that whatever issue is NOT effecting them today is not the point, but that there may be an issue that effects them tomorrow and belonging to a general alliance/lobby group would be so much better, or are the majority just to apathetic?

[drummer]

belonging to a general alliance/lobby group would be so much better, or are the majority just to apathetic?

Its called a political party... theres already so many we don't need more.. we need voices inside the existing ones to instigate change

Use what we have... to our advantage

Peter

[scissorhands]

I'm not sure I would want to be assimilated with much of the existing political flocks. Too fundamental either way

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner.