Who really does 70 on learners?

[The Everlasting]

I have jsut got my learners, am purchasing my bike in a week and I do intend to travel within the speed limit. Think I might be too scared to go over 70 anyway. Nelson only has one pretend motorway so i'm pretty safe there. will stick to quiet suburban roads to start and will venture out country as confidence grows.

I would suspect that as I grow in confidence so to will my speed so that is something I will need to be very aware off.

To be honest,I now completely ignore the 70km/h law,when i first had my bike i stayed at 70,cos I wasn't confident enough.

I used to have cars overtake me in MY lane,i'e they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,so tried to push me out of my lane,and into the shoulder area.It's far safer to travel at a speed where you don't get impatient cagers up your ass!


PS,I only go on the motorway if there is no other way to get where I'm going.

[magicmonkey]

This tired arguement again.

So you think because someone has had a car licence for 15 years they should automatically get a motorcycle licence with no restrictions?

The licence restrictions aren't for a huge period of time compared to the length of time you could be riding for over the rest of your life? Is it really such a big deal to travel on lower speed roads for a short period of time just while you get your skills up?

And is it really such a big deal that you don't ride after 10pm - just while you are learning essential riding skills that may well save your life later on?

Are you going to put forward the redicoulous argument that learning these skills while riding as fast as you can, at 100km/h, is the best way to go? Not even someone learning to ride a push bike does that. You start of at slower speeds and then up.


Have you got any other great ideas on ways to kill leaner riders?

The issue isn't the period of being on a learners, it's the complete lack of training and the arbitrary, and probably counterproductive, rules that apply to a completely untrained rider; there's a big difference...

[p.dath]

The issue isn't the period of being on a learners, it's the complete lack of training and the arbitrary, and probably counterproductive, rules that apply to a completely untrained rider; there's a big difference...

And what's preventing people from making the personal choice to getting training? Do we really need to regulate again, and force people to do it? Do we really need Government mandated systems? Everytime you ask the Government to step in taxation costs rise, and you loose a little bit more choice.

[magicmonkey]

And what's preventing people from making the personal choice to getting training? Do we really need to regulate again, and force people to do it? Do we really need Government mandated systems? Everytime you ask the Government to step in taxation costs rise, and you loose a little bit more choice.

Coinsidering the amount of riders I head about in fatal accidents is tesatament to the fact that you (kiwi's, not you personally) need training provided properly and enforced accross all license holders, I'd sooner have the government take away a right to a minor choice than see people dying for no good reason and it's worth far more money than will be spent on it in my eyes.

[p.dath]

Coinsidering the amount of riders I head about in fatal accidents is tesatament to the fact that you (kiwi's, not you personally) need training provided properly and enforced accross all license holders, I'd sooner have the government take away a right to a minor choice than see people dying for no good reason and it's worth far more money than will be spent on it in my eyes.

Here is a question for you. How many fatalities per year are acceptable? What target do you think we should try and achieve?

[magicmonkey]

ugh, I shouldn't post when I have a hangover!!

[Autech]

Well I've been on learners about 8 months (will sit my restricted when I get time...) was riding without a license for about 4 months too until Mr Fuzz asked me kindly to get one :P. I've never displayed a plate, ever, I think of it as a warning to other drivers that you haven't quite mastered the road code yet. Having driven since 15 thats not the case for me. As for 70ks? I think I'd rather hit the back of a truck then get run over by one.

[red mermaid]

As truck drivers are professional drivers they are probably the least of your worry's.

Its the idiots in cars you have to watch out for.

[KiWiP]

As truck drivers are professional drivers they are probably the least of your worry's.

I'm assuming you or a close friend is a trucker. There is no evidence at all to suggest that truckers are more aware, more considerate, or better than any other road user (including motorcyclists). If they have a license it only shows they satisfied the minimum requirement to pass. Taxi drivers, courierpost drivers, and pizza hut delivery guys are all professional drivers, but who hasn't sworn at one of them...
Who also hasn't at some time in their life driving whatever has gone "F*** that was close!" 3s after doing something pretty dumb and don't we all consider ourselves to be better than average road users.
Don't make the mistake of putting any road user on a pedestal.

They are all out to get you! (including ourselves)

[The Everlasting]

^That is correct,if you treat all motorists like they got their licence out of a weetbix packet,then you might avoid a few accidents.

[Mudfart]

i know a guy who was a taxi driver, he had 4 accidents in taxis, and had to keep changing companies.
One time he reversed into my car parked in the driveway (parallel) to his!! He just drove off denying everything. At the end of his shift wen he returned I gave him his rear lights back, they were in the fat dent in my drivers door.
Next he became a courier driver, and thats when he had a really serious accident, he had to appear in court, go to hospital etc....
Now he has no job, only a subie impreza 2 ltr turbo. scary.

[Autech]

i know a guy who was a taxi driver, he had 4 accidents in taxis, and had to keep changing companies.
One time he reversed into my car parked in the driveway (parallel) to his!! He just drove off denying everything. At the end of his shift wen he returned I gave him his rear lights back, they were in the fat dent in my drivers door.
Next he became a courier driver, and thats when he had a really serious accident, he had to appear in court, go to hospital etc....
Now he has no job, only a subie impreza 2 ltr turbo. scary.

With luck it will throw its big end before he kills himself or someone else in it.

[Genie]

To be honest,I now completely ignore the 70km/h law,when i first had my bike i stayed at 70,cos I wasn't confident enough.

I used to have cars overtake me in MY lane,i'e they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,so tried to push me out of my lane,and into the shoulder area.It's far safer to travel at a speed where you don't get impatient cagers up your ass!


PS,I only go on the motorway if there is no other way to get where I'm going.

I'm thnking I will be the same...lucky here in Nelson but if I want to head out of town I'll need to go over, otherwise you're right, i'll get shunted out of the way!!!!

[The Everlasting]

With luck it will throw its big end before he kills himself or someone else in it.

They are actually just as reliable as any other turbo car out there,I have owned one a few years ago!

[Thaeos]

To be honest,I now completely ignore the 70km/h law,when i first had my bike i stayed at 70,cos I wasn't confident enough.

I used to have cars overtake me in MY lane,i'e they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,so tried to push me out of my lane,and into the shoulder area.It's far safer to travel at a speed where you don't get impatient cagers up your ass!


PS,I only go on the motorway if there is no other way to get where I'm going.

That's pretty shocking if they try to pass you in the same lane. I'm guessing you need to take a more assertive position in the lane so they can't do that? Right wheel track it says in the road code...