Fuel tax to replace ACC on regos?

**FROSTY:Me** · 29th October 2009, 18:54

Maybee I'm misguided but it seems to me that the gubbiment has missed a point by putting ACC onto the rego costs of a vehicle.
The point being that Boaties,farmers,offroadriders/drivers and drivers of any form of ontrack race vehicle don't pay ACC yet "use" acc regularly.
Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to apply a blanket no blame FUEL tax on all fuel. of course scrapping the ACC on licencing.
With perhaps an adjustment downwards of the ACC levvy an employer in industries using vehicle professionally (truckies etc)

**davereid** · 29th October 2009, 19:16

It would cost 11.5 cents per litre.

Total motor vehicle account = $341,007,000
2,961,643,835 litres of petrol sold per year
(2000 figures sorry cant find newer ones)

Gives 11.5 cents per litre to pay the whole lot.

**YellowDog** · 29th October 2009, 19:21

If it's ony 11.5 cents, then that has to be the answer.

The motorcycle rego hype will fail to raise the projected revenue by a long way.

**mossy1200** · 29th October 2009, 19:22

Means that the off roaders and unregistered vehicles and chain saws and lawnmowers will all contribute aswell.Sounds fair system to me.

**Mully** · 29th October 2009, 19:22

This was discussed at the BRONZ meeting, Frosty. It was generally (I don't know why) considered to be better to have it partly on fuel and partly as a levy on licences.

I didn't quite get the reasoning for that as off-roaders (and boaties) don't need licences anyway. I've always thought fuel was more logical - those who do more Ks (and are therefore more likely to need ACC) pay more levies.

EDIT: Plus, as Mr Chairman pointed out - NZ has a lot of unlicenced drivers anyway. You have to buy fuel, licence or not.

**FROSTY:Me** · 29th October 2009, 19:25

well it makes sense to me to do it that way--I can't see ANY down side to it.

**davereid** · 29th October 2009, 19:27

Government already has extra taxes planned for fuel, to save us from the ice age or sumfink... but we have to send the money from the evil carbon taxes to russia, where they run nice clean nukes, so have carbon credits to sell

**Mully** · 29th October 2009, 19:29

Originally Posted by FROSTY

well it makes sense to me to do it that way--I can't see ANY down side to it.

Which is why you're not a politician.

Too fair, and too logical.

**newbould** · 29th October 2009, 19:32

And the wilder you ride the more gas you burn
and the Scorp has the best fuel economy this side of a diesel GasGas

The downside - far too fuckin simple a solution

and can we trust the government to send it in the right direction - consider all the millions they already gather from fuel and don't spend on roading (if the AA is to be believed)

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 29th October 2009, 19:41

While the idea sounds good only 11.5c a litre... problem fuel drives part of the econmony and put the price of fuel up 11.5c thena dd the extra GST on top fuel becomes expensive again...

Then the all transport costs rise, food prices go up, and everything else transported by road goes up to cover the cost , so you pay more at the pump to save you $252 a year but overall it probably costing you a lot more... You pay has not gone up but the cost of living has and inflation can get out of hand... which makes the recession worse... and yes there still is a recession its not over yet...

Putting ACC on fuel needs to happen when there isn't so much doom and gloom...

**MacD** · 29th October 2009, 19:44

The reason it won't be done is that only the government can levy taxes. If ACC was funded this way it couldn't be "opened to competition" (i.e. privatised).

**Sam I Am** · 29th October 2009, 19:45

would be time to get a electric bike then !

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 29th October 2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by Sam I Am

would be time to get a electric bike then !

the ACC on them is hicher because they know they can't get the fuel levy from you

**Naki Rat** · 29th October 2009, 19:49

Originally Posted by davereid

It would cost 11.5 cents per litre.

Total motor vehicle account = $341,007,000
2,961,643,835 litres of petrol sold per year
(2000 figures sorry cant find newer ones)

Gives 11.5 cents per litre to pay the whole lot.

It would be a lot less than that if it was spread over diesel/RUC as well.

**NordieBoy** · 29th October 2009, 19:52

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

While the idea sounds good only 11.5c a litre... problem fuel drives part of the econmony and put the price of fuel up 11.5c thena dd the extra GST on top fuel becomes expensive again...

Can't put GST on the tax part. Only on the base cost.

I think?