New ACC motorcycle levies confirmed

**kb_SF1** · 10th December 2009, 16:21

I may have missed something but if the submissions have only just been heard/considered how can the ministers recommendations have gone to cabinet already and a cabinet decision made?

That was timed for February or has the heat got too much and someone has said close this down no matter what it costs?
Did the second meeting take place with the representative group and was the consultation under taken?, looks like the heat got too much.

**shrub** · 10th December 2009, 16:23

we've just been raped, not raped and pillaged.

I was interested to see that our kind Uncle Nick said he's going to take $30.00 off us will be committed to injury prevention modelled on the successful programme in Victoria, Australia. I've had a good look at said injury prevention programme, and while it's OK it was quite obviously developed for motorcyclists, not by motorcyclists. I think we're going to find that not only are we paying more, we are getting told how to ride.

I'm not the slightest bit happy.

**Mystic13** · 10th December 2009, 16:25

I'm not happy with the increase. I have multiple bikes and cars and I've been royally screwed. motorbikes are my hobby and sport and unlike the bloody rugby players and skiers I'm been fukced over.

So do I now cancel all rego's and ride without them? Encouraging citizens to break the law because it's so damned criminal is unfair. If I get a ticket for no rego I will fight it. I'll also plead poverty and ask for community service. Heck, if Mikey Havoc can trade parking fines for community service why can't I.

I'd be happy to pick up rubbish rather than give those batsards at ACC another cent. We've had no bloody decent response to our claims. They've been ignored and a range of increases done.

Is there any way that we can fight this legally. I find it hard to believe that a government can do this in the light of poor facts and mis-information.

I personally think John Key is doing a good job and voted National. I'll vote National only if I have a nil increase. Other than that the fukcers have screwed me over on something I'm passionate about. I'll vote strategically to vote them out. Can we please keep working on labour for support to cancel the splitt cc thing, and to bring bikes into line with cars and get an undertaking from them.

If our levels of claims reduce we should be on their door demanding a fukcen immediate percentage drop.

Am I pissed. YES. For the next Nick Smith meeting we should tar and feather the batsard. Anyone got some old eggs. I knew I should have lodged my ACC response wrapped around a brick and thrown through their window. Ideally Keith McFlea's window on whatever floor and fired from a catapult.

Nick Smith I just want to be very clear. You lied. You didn't check the facts when they were presented to you and then you screwed us over with this mis-information. I'm inclined to think you're a sly, untrustworthy, scumbag piece of shit. You've acted without integrity. You, Judge and Keith have done us over and disregarded the facts.

I hope the motorcycle community continue the protest and with ACC and National ignoring the facts it's clear that level headed argument is not going to win the day. The only thing that will move them is when it starts to become loud, noisy and ugly.

Other than that it's a great day for a ride. Summers here and so is the melted tar. I wonder what Transit pay for the motorcycle injuries they cause.

If I'm paying more for car drivers taking me out I want nothing less than the right to sue.

Are there any potential legal challenges to be had?

Lastly I just want to say

I"M NOT GIVING UP MY BIKES.

**The Everlasting** · 10th December 2009, 16:25

Still very high imo,not happy!!!

**NONONO** · 10th December 2009, 16:29

Originally Posted by k2w3

Not only that, but as we drift away with weaker protests, it's much easier for them to introduce another $100 increase next year. It'll only be a small percentage increase, after all. Easy sell.

I agree that another hike is on the cards next year.
But "weaker protest"?
So far we have stayed away from central Auckland. We have bothered no one. This is the first time we are venturing in to the CBD and (if we get enough bikes, if we are not appeased) with the traffic lights and entry to Queens St. it won't be pretty.
My belief, we should have hit the CBD and the Bridge earlier and I believe we will still have to.

**The Everlasting** · 10th December 2009, 16:34

Originally Posted by NONONO

I agree that another hike is on the cards next year.
But "weaker protest"?
So far we have stayed away from central Auckland. We have bothered no one. This is the first time we are venturing in to the CBD and (if we get enough bikes, if we are not appeased) with the traffic lights and entry to Queens St. it won't be pretty.
My belief, we should have hit the CBD and the Bridge earlier and I believe we will still have to.

Agreed hit the CBD,let them know we will not be ignored,and won't go away!!

**Interceptor** · 10th December 2009, 16:35

"The Government has pegged back big hikes to ACC levies proposed by the corporation, particularly for motorcyclists.

Confirming the new levies today, ACC Minister Nick Smith said registration rates for motorcycles would range from $327.70 to $426.92, compared with rates of between $511.43 and $745.77 under rates proposed by ACC. But that is still an increase of between $75 and $174 for the owners of petrol powered motorcycles."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...es-pegged-back

**Ixion** · 10th December 2009, 16:38

Originally Posted by riffer

Yeah I'm confused too.

Why are you quoted as saying that motorcyclists could live with the increases?

I'm not happy.

Nor am I. As I said. But let's be realistic.

The original proposals would have seen many motorcyclists selling up for four wheels.

You're not happy. No-one is when they get charged (a lot) more. But will you be selling your bike? I doubt it. Not over a matter of $175.

Under 600 goes up by about $75. That's $1.50 per week. I think that "liveable". It's probably less than fuel is going to go up by in the next year. Even the big bikes , it's $3 per week. About half the cost of a set of tyres.

These are liveable increases . They're still not fair (cars went up about 16%). But they are not increases that will put any but the most destitute rider off the road. Which the original proposals would have. So, it's a tactical victory. Mr Judge wanted a figure high enough that motorcycling would go away altogether. he didn't get it.

To get a nil increase , or even the same as cars, we have to change the WAY that ACC sets levies. As we said all along. As far as this year goes, that was never going to happen. That's why I've always said the campaign ran to Nov 2011.

And I agree (and said) that the capacity thing is wrong and meaningless.

(And to put it into context, if you're employed and ride a < 600cc , the increased levy on earnings will cost you almost twice as much as the increased levy on your bike. So if the money is the only thing you are complaining of, you would be better complaining about that increase)

**PrincessBandit** · 10th December 2009, 16:49

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

They are at it again

Seriously the anti needs to be upped

look at the mess they made in the nineties

Stephen

I would like to know where the evidence of their "primary focus" as mentioned in the very first sentence of point 3 is.

**drummer** · 10th December 2009, 16:52

I say we won a partial victory in the reduction... BUT we still need to protest and even harder than before.... lets say ...we want levies the same as for cars or even less.. cars damge other people... we rarely do... its a political game... propose high.. actual loer.. don't be fooled folks

Peter

**scissorhands** · 10th December 2009, 16:52

It leaves a raw taste to be told 4x more dangerous for big bikes. Its untrue. They want bikers gone, the bastards.

**drummer** · 10th December 2009, 16:57

Originally Posted by Ixion

(And to put it into context, if you're employed and ride a < 600cc , the increased levy on earnings will cost you almost twice as much as the increased levy on your bike. So if the money is the only thing you are complaining of, you would be better complaining about that increase)

Les... you speak truth... its not about the moeny for me.. but to some $3.00 is felt... there are some very underpaid people out there...

Its about equity and fairness... about the blame being put on us rather than the causes.. however I am glad to see money aside for safety... congrats on the job you and others are doing with that

Peter

**spookytooth** · 10th December 2009, 16:58

I have never been a registered voter don,t like any of the pricks so have never voted (and i dont give a fuck what you think about that ) Come next election i will be a registered voter and national won't be getting a tick from me

**drummer** · 10th December 2009, 17:01

Originally Posted by k2w3

Not only that, but as we drift away with weaker protests, it's much easier for them to introduce another $100 increase next year. It'll only be a small percentage increase, after all. Easy sell.

Not weaker for me.. I'm stepping mine up with the local guys... bugger them.. they are fools if they think that e will accept a dam increase far higher than cars... and still have to pay all the other levies...

This makes me really pissed off... NO WAY to mild protests... bring it on I say...

Peter