Les just rolled over

[Winston001]

This is a simple and heartfelt Thankyou to Les, Stoney, Mom and the others who stepped up and fronted the ACC issue. Taking a public stance requires courage and strength which you showed in abundance.

[mikeey01]

This is a simple and heartfelt Thankyou to Les, Stoney, Mom and the others who stepped up and fronted the ACC issue. Taking a public stance requires courage and strength which you showed in abundance.

Winston you are so right.

[Genestho]

Frankly I'm pretty annoyed with the selfishness displayed in this thread, you guys will have no idea of the distinct advantages of communication with ACC and Govt. It doesn't mean rolling over at all.

There will be not one iota of understanding the work that has been done since mid october, (and even prior) on behalf of Motorcyclists.

You could've supported Bronz with numbers, you could've made submissions - only 2000 odd submissions made, some on this site should read more and post less.

Well done Les et al.

[ynot slow]

Dpex... go fuck yourself

Les (Ixion)... much appreciation for your fine efforts!

Well bloody said,I thought Les never replied bikers were happy,but the idiot from Ulysses said that he was happy and all bikers were happy with the outcome,amazing how they(ulysses)jump on the band wagon.

[StoneY]

Well bloody said,I thought Les never replied bikers were happy,but the idiot from Ulysses said that he was happy and all bikers were happy with the outcome,amazing how they(ulysses)jump on the band wagon.

I agree with most of that statement, except it was the ONE man from Ulysses that was happy....one man with a fondness for camera's and mirrors

Read a few more threads, you'll see that Ulysses members who post here on KB aint too happy with what was said 'publicly' on 'their behalf'

I have been accused of being 'divisive and abusive' by this very media entity too LMFAO
All good, ducks, backs and water

Les is a bloody legend!

[Murray]

I struggle to see that Les (Ixion) has rolled over when he has a calendar entry up for a protest ride on next Saturday (19th). More like everyone else has rolled over with only 12 people registered to attend.

This event is a great opportunity to show that we are not happy

get in behind it !!!!!!

[taff1954]

This is a simple and heartfelt Thankyou to Les, Stoney, Mom and the others who stepped up and fronted the ACC issue. Taking a public stance requires courage and strength which you showed in abundance.

+1 on that. The other thing some people seem to be ignoring is the phenomenal amount of work that goes on, unseen, in the background - often after such an announcement as was made on the 10th. As Les has said so many times, this is a long, long campaign. There's still two years to go.

[Genestho]

Well the other thing is most is done quite rightly - behind closed doors, it's all very well staging protests but they are a media campaign creating awareness, when the media get bored with news angles, the real work that continues on, is research, backing your debate, reviews, consultations and communication.

Processes, the simple fact is these do take time!!

[MSTRS:Me]

How on earth are we going to attack a bill where every decrease we get goes onto earners and drivers?

Rubbish. It may have been said, but the reality is that the earner levy increase was trimmed back, so was the car levy, and the fuel levy was not adjusted at all.
The reality is that we've known all along that the car levy was proposed to be +$150, but we've also known all along that it would be set at +$30. That info came from the AA themselves.
It is up to us to shout that from the rooftops if any Joe Public believes he's paying more because we're paying 'less'.

[Kennif]

Well bloody said,I thought Les never replied bikers were happy,but the idiot from Ulysses said that he was happy and all bikers were happy with the outcome,amazing how they(ulysses)jump on the band wagon.

Have a look at what Peter actually said. I am not happy with it and nor a number of Ulyssians that I have spoken with. But your comment above is unfair. He said he was "Surprised, pleased I suppose." That's bad enough IMO but you take it a step further I think. If you can refer me to a clip where Peter said that bikers were "...happy with the outcome" , please let me know.

Here's the clip....
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/bike...26/video.xhtml

[Pussy]

Frankly I'm pretty annoyed with the selfishness displayed in this thread, you guys will have no idea of the distinct advantages of communication with ACC and Govt. It doesn't mean rolling over at all.

There will be not one iota of understanding the work that has been done since mid october, (and even prior) on behalf of Motorcyclists.

You could've supported Bronz with numbers, you could've made submissions - only 2000 odd submissions made, some on this site should read more and post less.

Well done Les et al.

I'm VERY surprised that more haven't dug in to their pockets and spent a measly 20 bucks to join BRONZ.
Sadly, I'm not THAT surprised that there are many who can't see past the end of their nose.
I am EXTREMELY grateful for the tireless work that has been done on my behalf.

[Pussy]

In fact, I would still strongly suggest that if there are those that haven't joined BRONZ yet, to do so

[Bodir]

Always remember though: A sentence by itself can portray anything. Cutting their opinion has always been the media way.

[Pussy]

Always remember though: A sentence by itself can portray anything. Cutting their opinion has always been the media way.

Fair enough.... but some damage has been done, and ill feeling created.
BRONZ represents ALL motorcyclists, not just over-40s.
Spend $20.00... it's an investment

[Grubber]

No shit, Sherlock.
There's a few here that were aware of what was happening with National and ACC all along. I'm ashamed to say I was not one of them.
All the proposed figure/s did was get the attention of the rest of us. Nick the Prick should have quietly OK'd $50pa and for the most part we'd never have noticed. And his slimy agenda of dismantling ACC as we know it, would have quietly rolled on unremarked by all NZ.
Instead, he did get our attention. Using public sympathies to a certain extent, we've managed to educate a fair number of people as to the real issue. Our task (challenge?) is to continue that good work. Those that would support us are not fooled by the Prick's so-called backdown, so we've not really lost anything. In fact, by suggesting that car rises are because of the lower mc levy, the Prick has just given us more ammunition.

Ill take the no shit Sherlock as a small piece of sarcasm.
I agree with pretty much...no no, actually all of what you say. The final outcome after everyones hard work and time is exactly as it has happened. We all saw it coming to be fair. When all the stat's came out after the initial price increase was waved under our noses, it became apparent they were twisting the system to achieve the result they now have. Lets keep at them.