Les just rolled over

**jtzzr** · 10th December 2009, 20:29

Les (Ixion) had the nuts to stand up and push our point , much more than I did , did you stand up and push our point Dpex, did you put your name to anything?

I`m not knocking ya bro , but shouldn`t this be a combined effort .

Instead of the usual , kick someone who did`nt do exactly what I wanted, but to how about" STOP" the fuckers from doing it again.

And stop it from happening again in 3yrs.

**dpex** · 10th December 2009, 20:45

Those who pay no ACC represent 50% of the population.

That's the issue!

Get it yet?

It's not about bikers, or cagers, or truckers, or employees, who pay, and pay, and fucking pay. It's about all those who don't pay.

When I asked him about the 'other' 50% of non-direct ACC payers, Smith had the temerity to tell me that their costs against ACC came out of the 'general' account.

So, not only are those who earn paying ACC on their income, their cars, their bikes, et al. Now we learn that a large lump of their taxes are being used to support a massive, 50% claimant-base, who pay nothing!

Don't you all get it yet?

The issue is NOT about ACC increases. It's about targeted levies.

Why should a dole-bludger, driving an unregistered vehicle (on account of he can't be bothered registering and, further he thinks, 'Hey, who cares, they can just add it to my fines) get off Scot-free?

Why should an unemployed teen who gets smashed up in a rugby game get off Scot-free?

Why should an old flogg get $10k worth of hip replacement, having fallen over in the shower...and let's presume he was sober, just to be nice.:--)) And pay nothing toward that cost.

Don't you get it?

It's about some level of equality, where everybody pays a bit.

And there's only one way that can be achieved. A slight increase in GST to pay ALL ACC costs.

But hey, don't let reason get in the way of you all feeling fulfilled now that Nikki has done what he set out to do well before the Waste-Of-Time-Oi

**Dadpole** · 10th December 2009, 20:46

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I guess we can now return to our usual state of being a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. It was fun and strangely empowering being something different for a while.

That would bring a smile to the 'orrible face of the Nixter.
The only way to avoid a repeat of this whole saga next year is to keep on with the "whos next" message. I am still supporting BRONZ in their efforts and making an effort to run the whole ACC privatisation issue with every Joe Public who will listen.
Every new person is a potential ally.

**Dadpole** · 10th December 2009, 20:50

That 50% includes children too. Make the little sods pay their own way.

**oldrider** · 10th December 2009, 20:52

Hey, everybody did good work, this is only one phase of a very big war!

WW2, remember Dunkirk? Well this our Dunkirk, the result was foreseen and inevitable!

The base line objective of the Government and the ACC (driven by the AA) has only just been achieved! There is a lot more to come in my honest opinion.

All we need to do is regroup, think about what the real war is about, strengthen our resolve to defeat it and then work out a strategy!

Anyone who thinks this will be quick and easy better think again, it will be a long war!

I have still got confidence in the people who stood up and represented us, they too had to live with some hope that it may have just been about the money!

Well it bloody well isn't, it's about getting rid of motorcycles from our roads altogether and about replacing ACC with private accident insurance!

Ripping and pulling at each other is about as affective as shooting pool with a piece of rope, we must stand united for a very long time!

I suggest we rally round the current leaders and support them in preparation for the next phase but above all, stay together on this!

**CookMySock** · 10th December 2009, 20:58

Well he got paid off didn't he.. what did you think would happen?

Steve

**twotyred** · 10th December 2009, 21:00

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Well he got paid off didn't he.. what did you think would happen?

Steve

Please explain...

**Conquiztador** · 10th December 2009, 21:00

I side with dpex but I support Ixion. Confused? Let me try to explain:

I got peed off. "Fuck em" I was thinking. So I did the ride. And a HB one. And working on a disruptive one. I hate eating shit even with a silver spoon.

Ixion did heaps of work and got us this far. But the time for nice talk is over. Look where it got us: Where they always wanted us.

And re the standpoints: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/bike...-3250326/video

I hope that TV1 cut out all the harsh words, because if this is what Ulysses and BRONZ think I am not agreeing. And never will. This was a roll over. Sad.

**skinman** · 10th December 2009, 21:01

your a stirrer

**skinman** · 10th December 2009, 21:02

that was for DB

**P38** · 10th December 2009, 21:03

Originally Posted by Pussy

Dpex... go fuck yourself

Les (Ixion)... much appreciation for your fine efforts!

Ditto for me too Pussy.

Good on ya Les!

Your a legend for standing up and being counted.

Dpex lighten up!... its not the perfect outcome but it's a start.

We may have won a small victory here but we haven't won the war yet.

Keep up the protests and more ground will be won.

**candor** · 10th December 2009, 21:12

Originally Posted by P38

Keep up the protests and more ground will be won.

Yes if the Brethran can fund the Nats, Labour can surely fund KB?!

**Voltaire** · 10th December 2009, 21:13

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Well he got paid off didn't he.. what did you think would happen?

Steve

Is that the best you could 'whip' up....? stick a flake in it.

**wingrider** · 10th December 2009, 21:15

Originally Posted by oldrider

Hey, everybody did good work, this is only one phase of a very big war!

WW2, remember Dunkirk? Well this our Dunkirk, the result was foreseen and inevitable!

The base line objective of the Government and the ACC (driven by the AA) has only just been achieved! There is a lot more to come in my honest opinion.

All we need to do is regroup, think about what the real war is about, strengthen our resolve to defeat it and then work out a strategy!

Anyone who thinks this will be quick and easy better think again, it will be a long war!

I have still got confidence in the people who stood up and represented us, they too had to live with some hope that it may have just been about the money!

Well it bloody well isn't, it's about getting rid of motorcycles from our roads altogether and about replacing ACC with private accident insurance!

Ripping and pulling at each other is about as affective as shooting pool with a piece of rope, we must stand united for a very long time!

I suggest we rally round the current leaders and support them in preparation for the next phase but above all, stay together on this!

Very well said Sir.

It took almost 12 months for national and their appointed ACC Board to come up with their Dunkirk.
They had the battle won and the corks were popin before they went to press.

What they didnt expect was for us to come out of the trenches, not as the beaten enemy but as the most determened force that they ever faced.

All they have done though is offer a truce before they would be forced into defeat. But what would have been our cost?

But defeat them we will. Provided we all continue to stand together.

I applaude those that took on the roles of our generals and led us into battle. They achieved more by way of organization and control in 2 weeks than anything else i have seen.

We have won a small battle but the war has only just begun.
And if we desert our leaders now we will loose, BIG TIME.

The line in the sand has been drawn. lets not stand on one side and just shout. Lets cross over and gather those that are now seeing our side of this argument and lets push the lying bastards back to a point where they will never get even close to the line ever again. Regardless of whatever colour they wear.