Les just rolled over

**Squiggles** · 11th December 2009, 12:03

Originally Posted by avgas

Its a shame he didn't have the BRONZ committee to stand behind him in those tough interviews though.... seeing as that is what boards are suppose to do.

Fuck me... suppose you're one of the few hundred members? Meetings are Wednesday PM @ Danish House

**Voltaire** · 11th December 2009, 12:06

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Look to history.

Your efforts so far ar akin to Neville Chamberlain in 1939 returning from Berlin with a document, waving it in the air and claiming" peace in our time"

Look where that led to.

"PEACE IN OUR TIME"

You should all get the T shirts made now. You have earned it.

MERDE

Berlin 1939...?
Try Munich 1938.
But as George Patton more o less said:
" a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow"
A much better t shirt.

**scracha** · 11th December 2009, 12:16

Originally Posted by Katman

Even MNZ have been strangely conspicuous by their silence.

What, you weren't seriously expecting the salaried employees at MNZ to organise something useful?

Time BRONZ wrote a letter to Ulisys saying "thanks but no thanks".

**Katman** · 11th December 2009, 12:22

Originally Posted by avgas

Do we really need an organisation to stand up on our behalf. As far as I can see the 2 reasons there has been any change at all have been down to the individuals involved. Having an organisational body behind it added no value.

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.

**Mr Merde** · 11th December 2009, 12:32

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Berlin 1939...?
Try Munich 1938.
But as George Patton more o less said:
" a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow"
A much better t shirt.

OK my date and place were wrong. I'm sorry. Memory plays tricks on you once past a certain age.

**Swoop** · 11th December 2009, 12:36

Originally Posted by Pussy

You're asking a bit much there, Swoop... he likes the sound of his own voice too much!...

He does NOT represent all bikers. He does not represent any particular sector of bikers. He does NOT represent my opinion.

The fight continues!!
Fuck ACC.

**James Deuce** · 11th December 2009, 13:28

Originally Posted by Katman

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.

Another good point.

**Hanne** · 11th December 2009, 13:39

Originally Posted by avgas

Its a shame he didn't have the BRONZ committee to stand behind him in those tough interviews though.... seeing as that is what boards are suppose to do.

Originally Posted by Squiggles

Fuck me... suppose you're one of the few hundred members? Meetings are Wednesday PM @ Danish House

I second what Squiggles said.

Some of us have actually stepped up to the plate and put in innumerable man hours IRL to organise protests, disseminate information and mobilise the troops instead of bitching on the net about what is visible from the surface. Things don't just magically happen overnight!

**ManDownUnder** · 11th December 2009, 13:40

It's a war not a battle. It's long haul, it's going to take a while.

If it was a quick issue then it'd be resolved one way or the other by now and if that was the case then conciliatory words would be an acceptance. ... but read back - just in this very thread. It's obviously not. Some ground was made some ground was lost the battle is over and we didn't get beaten up as much as we could've.

So we learn our lessons, regroup, and pick the stage for the next assault.

I personally think BRONZ is doing a good job, the predictions about actions and reactions were pretty much on track and right now we're in as good a shape as we could realistically hope.

I think the Ulysses President's comments were over the top - the guy doesn't speak for me... but conversely I don't speak for him and he seems like the kind of guy I'd still sit with over a beer.

Fuck's sake - the fights not over. Nicks Myth could have done anything he likes this early in the political term. He didn't need to cut that ACC rate at all except for a want to minimise the damage to National votes at the next election. So he gave a little to get a lot. aybe we should learn something from him. We don't have to agree with him, or like him, or support him... but at least be clever enough to see when we've been presented by the very tactics we could employ ourselves.

Give a little... back down a little, but keep an eye on the future... keep working toward what we ultimately want.

He is banking on the NZ public/backlash dissolving away with time, time being the big healer and all that. So it's up to us to make sure it doesn't. I do believe that's what Ixion's been saying from day one. It's what a lot of the Ulysses members are also saying.

Is it really that hard to see? We might have to suck it up for a while till National's teneder bits are showing (around election build up time I reckon)... and THEN kick 'em in the 'nads.

**Squiggles** · 11th December 2009, 13:41

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

till National's teneder bits are showing (around election build up time I reckon)... and THEN kick 'em in the 'nads.

You make it sound so appealing

**ManDownUnder** · 11th December 2009, 13:44

Originally Posted by Squiggles

You make it sound so appealing

I think it is... meat balls to rissole conversions... commmm-MENCE!

(where's the little "boot in the balls" smiley?)

**Brian d marge** · 11th December 2009, 13:46

That long haul has been going since the eighties ..... and will continue long after I am dead and buried I am afraid

In the mean time , ya got to get the oldies to realize that national is such a nice man after all and get rid of the baskets

AND THE LAWS THE HAVE PUT IN PLACE

Stephen

**kave** · 11th December 2009, 14:02

Originally Posted by Katman

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.

Perhaps BRONZ would be good value for money if they had thousands of members, but they don't. The fact is that while individuals from BRONZ have been highly effective, the organisation itself has been less than useful. You would think a Bikers rights organisation in the midst of the greatest threat to motorcyclist rights this decade would be able to organise an effective membership drive but it appears that BRONZ couldn't organise a root in a brothel.

Do we really need BRONZ though? There is currently a forum where large numbers of bikers can organise, and it is free. The place I refer to has been the driving force behind almost all of the ACC levy hike protests. The place I am obviously referring to is Kiwibiker. BRONZ has lost all relevance, it is a small splinter-group of people and should shut down in the interests of unity.

Perhaps if BRONZ was truly a national organisation as opposed to loosely affiliated regional groups it would have managed to retain some relevance, unfortunately it is not. As has been proved by the whole ACC Levy dispute, BRONZ is unable to respond in a timely fashion to critical events. In a fast moving modern society the ability to respond to rapidly changing events is crucial. I am sure that in their time they were highly effective, but their time is past.

**riffer** · 11th December 2009, 14:05

Originally Posted by kave

Perhaps if BRONZ was truly a national organisation as opposed to loosely affiliated regional groups it would have managed to retain some relevance, unfortunately it is not.

And you're suggesting KB as a credible alternative? What have you been smoking?