Les just rolled over

[klingon]

OK so I've obviously missed something. I've just looked through this whole thread looking for a link to what Les actually said. I didn't see any links, just people moaning about what he allegedly said. Has anyone got any actual links?

By the way, I am an active member of the BRONZ Auckland committee. I have been a paid-up member for about a year and a half, and active on and off during that time. To all those people who have the gall to criticise us for not being there when you need us, where were YOU when WE needed you?

If some of you grizzlers had stumped up your $20 and actually got involved in organising stuff, BRONZ would be in a much stronger position today.

So when you get on your high horse and complain about what BRONZ is or isn't doing, consider that for the last several years BRONZ has consisted of a handful of talented, dedicated, hard-working people who have worked tirelessly behind the scenes while you have been out riding or sitting at home on your couch.

And to all those who have joined BRONZ recently, and especially those wonderful people who have not just joined but thrown themselves in boots and all, you have my heart-felt thanks. We truly appreciate what you are doing on behalf of NZ motorcyclists.

[Brian d marge]

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Liabour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

If we don't remain "apolitical", we will just divide ourselves up!

I agree with the Apolitical .......

But labor is nationals alter ego

ever wondered why they are pretty similar in major issues ?

As I have said MANY times before , it is outside forces that pressure NZ to follow a certain procedure ( the gateway to this is \are the business round table )

The IMF have openly stated that NZ must make changes to its medical and one other area of which I cant remember off top of head.

and wasn't there a labor minister promoted to the head of the IMF? the one before Clark?

So back to the task

Smithy has said that they are waiting for the Stock-take report to see if the work account can be opened up to competition

and it will be in structure similar to Australian insurance companies ( He refers to Acc as a fully funded insurance scheme, I cant watch much more I cant believe the lies he is saying ... ( they are true IF you use a fully funded model)

but he does remark about the accountancy changes , this is a hint at what is driving these changes and backs up what I have said before.

The student loans were a brilliant bit of accounting , show up on the books as an Asset ( that brilliant that is )

This is all to attract investment dollar into NZ

Now those investment dollar , have inherient drawbacks as the profits are repatriated and the LOCAL economey suffers in the LONG term ( not the short term ) imho

Sorry but out of all of the well paid intelligentsia in the round house

it wouldn't matter who you put in place , a one leg gay Panda for all I care ...
I am interested in the Maori party gaining some influence , because they might be divided between historical loyalty ( or traditions ) and may have NZ at heart more

or......

labor as they tend to have a socialist agenda , best of a rotten lot ( they actually did quite well over the last term but ,,went nuts as all parties do in the last , and slapper Bradford was a bad move , not for what she said her intentions were good , just went against middle NZ , or was portrayed to )

Vote National for all I care , I used my vote and am doing very nicely thanks , health care is good , transport is good , motorcycles are cheap , education,,,, well cant have everything

NZ will be a beautiful place when you remove big business and return it to the people. Vote Joe plumber ! walmart has no ones interest at heart but its own ...

Stephen

[twotyred]

OK so I've obviously missed something. I've just looked through this whole thread looking for a link to what Les actually said. I didn't see any links, just people moaning about what he allegedly said. Has anyone got any actual links?

I have posted a link to les's RNZ interview yesterday here:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=114747

[Pussy]

OK so I've obviously missed something. I've just looked through this whole thread looking for a link to what Les actually said. I didn't see any links, just people moaning about what he allegedly said. Has anyone got any actual links?

By the way, I am an active member of the BRONZ Auckland committee. I have been a paid-up member for about a year and a half, and active on and off during that time. To all those people who have the gall to criticise us for not being there when you need us, where were YOU when WE needed you?

If some of you grizzlers had stumped up your $20 and actually got involved in organising stuff, BRONZ would be in a much stronger position today.

So when you get on your high horse and complain about what BRONZ is or isn't doing, consider that for the last several years BRONZ has consisted of a handful of talented, dedicated, hard-working people who have worked tirelessly behind the scenes while you have been out riding or sitting at home on your couch.

And to all those who have joined BRONZ recently, and especially those wonderful people who have not just joined but thrown themselves in boots and all, you have my heart-felt thanks. We truly appreciate what you are doing on behalf of NZ motorcyclists.

There are also a lot of us who REALLY appreciate the fine job you have been doing, too!
I'm one of them!

[avgas]

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.

Then get one who has Kiwi's who hate ACC. Bronz wont achieve this

[Katman]

Then get one who has Kiwi's who hate ACC. Bronz wont achieve this

Why do we need to hate ACC? Aren't they the suckers who fix us up even when we've acted like fuckwits?

I still say that civil disobedience (i.e. not paying your rego) is the only way to force the government to sit down and talk sense with us.

[avgas]

I second what Squiggles said.

Some of us have actually stepped up to the plate and put in innumerable man hours IRL to organise protests, disseminate information and mobilize the troops instead of bitching on the net about what is visible from the surface. Things don't just magically happen overnight!

Very true - that was an oversight on my part and I am sorry.
But you have to admit as it stands right now it looks almost like Ix vs Nix.
The only time that 1 on 1 has gotten anywhere is Jerry Springer.

Some things do happen overnight, this is why we are in this predicament.

Please don't feel that I am bashing anything to do with the individual's work - far from it, I am congratulating you guys for it. But I think its unfair to say "Bronz won the battle".....when the same individuals (like yourself) are still trying to fight the war.

I would much rather support you guys that the PC Dance I see on the TV. Its like the unions all over again - Jump? How high sir?

[avgas]

Why do we need to hate ACC? Aren't they the suckers who fix us up even when we've acted like fuckwits?

I still say that civil disobedience (i.e. not paying your rego) is the only way to force the government to sit down and talk sense with us.

Me too - but why stop on bike rego? We need car owners too?
Hate is easier that "We dislike what you are currently doing".............if you don't like the term hate - try disgust.

A common enemy needs to be found for all - someone people can point at and go:
"YOU!"

How on earth are we going to attack a bill where every decrease we get goes onto earners and drivers? ACC are trying to pit the rest of NZ against motorcyclist claiming:

"Your going to pay more because they complain too much"

That is spiteful, we need to show NZ that regardless of what happens ACC are going to try and rip us all off.

Who's Next?

[BMWST?]

That's sad to hear.

I wonder how many of the chest-beaters on here couldn't be arsed paying $20?

i did..did you?

[Katman]

Me too - but why stop on bike rego? We need car owners too?

As I've said in another thread, when car drivers start seeing us refusing to pay our rego, then the court system clogging up, and then seeing us seeming to go unpunished due to that clogged system then they will start saying "fuck that, if they're not paying, then neither am I".

[Mrs Busa Pete]

As do most of us (I wish I could say all). And that has been the message from the start (well, almost the start).

And that is unchanged.

Would those complaining about being sold out, I wonder, have happily accepted a nil increase and gone home and ignored the rest of what is happening with ACC ?

Well bloody said Les and to true

[Katman]

i did..did you?

Yeah right - I'd come on here poking shit at those who expect everything from BRONZ, but aren't prepared to offer up $20, while not paying it myself.

Grow a fucking brain.

[BMWST?]

Then get one who has Kiwi's who hate ACC. Bronz wont achieve this

you do realise that ix is the Bronz man too dont you?

[duckonin]

What about everyone shelling out $20.00 and becoming members of BRONZ?

Pussy you shall have to shout out your message, go again reboot it...

[oldrider]

What the fuck are you smokin, ACC worked fine until the NATS broke the model in '93 with the first attempt to tear it apart for JK's rich cronies

If it needs anything, it needs the fucking roll over and milk the easy payout doctors, and the patients they support cut the fuck out and the long term bludgers shot on sight

It aint even a what party issue, its a fucked up mess, with the round table wankers private pet politicians selling OUR kids futures

What the fuck am I smokin? I wont respond to that, it's unnecessary and distracting!

No, ACC wasn't working properly!

The public were generally pissed off with the way that ACC was being misused and abused!

There seemed to be no accountability for what increasing numbers of taxpayers saw as horrendously stupid payouts to the undeserving.

At the same time apparently deserving cases were being pushed aside and claimants received nothing!

That's what gave "politicians" the confidence to start "their" political tinkering and interference with it!

The political tinkering has been continuous ever since!

Socialists want the ACC welfare system to continue and Capitalists want to dump it and revert to private individual accident insurance in it's place!

Personally I don't mind which but this indecisive shambles in-between is very very damaging to the general public at large and it is very divisive by nature.

Historically motorcyclists by their nature have demonstrated division in so many ways, without even considering the current ACC debacle!

It appears (as has been said elsewhere) to be akin to herding cats, for anyone to attempt to bring them affectively together on a common cause, with common objectives and win the day!

Will the current "Government-ACC-AA" attack on motorcyclist's be the catalyst to unify us?

If it is, our leaders will need to be able to spell the details and direction out very clearly for all to understand and follow them unfaltering for a very long time!

No one said it would be easy but it could be worth it!