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[MSTRS:Me]

disagree..

Peter

As is your right.
You are also wrong. Or you are really working for 'them'. Or you think we are stupid.
Or all three...

[drummer]

As is your right.
You are also wrong. Or you are really working for 'them'. Or you think we are stupid.
Or all three...

1) You don't mean people have rights here do you... I do have the right ?
2) No I'm not.. you are entitled to your opinion as I am
3) Yeah... I'm actually a Russian Spy... good grief... no I am a spy from Mars... good grief man don't be so stupid! Look at my posts...
4) Do I think "we are" stupid? ummm no... a few here are... right idiots but all here definitely not... you... I don't think you are stupid... a tad silly and as this is a troll thing anyhow...

Cya

Peter

[MSTRS:Me]

*sigh*
ACC are not, and never were, calling the shots.
Targeting ACC is pointless, except to fuck with their figures by not registering. And really, how many are going to take that action?
The only way to fight this, is to target Nick the Prick and his cronies. THEY are the ones calling the shots. THEY are the ones that have to be convinced to roll back the changes. THEY are the ones that the collective 'we' have to convince it is in no-one's (especially their) best interest to keep dicking with ACC.
THE GOVERNMENT must be made to see that NZ will not stand for what they are doing. And that to continue will be political suicide.
In fact, all MPs, of all stripes, must be made to realise that ACC is NEVER to be fucked with. EVER.
ACC is off-limits to all political agendas.
NOT NEGOTIABLE.

[Waxxa]

*sigh*
ACC are not, and never were, calling the shots.
Targeting ACC is pointless, except to fuck with their figures by not registering. And really, how many are going to take that action?
The only way to fight this, is to target Nick the Prick and his cronies. THEY are the ones calling the shots. THEY are the ones that have to be convinced to roll back the changes. THEY are the ones that the collective 'we' have to convince it is in no-one's (especially their) best interest to keep dicking with ACC.
THE GOVERNMENT must be made to see that NZ will not stand for what they are doing. And that to continue will be political suicide.
In fact, all MPs, of all stripes, must be made to realise that ACC is NEVER to be fucked with. EVER.
ACC is off-limits to all political agendas.
NOT NEGOTIABLE.

+1 National appointed the current Board on ACC.

All political parties need to realise not to mess with ACC, not only National.

[swbarnett]

*sigh*
ACC are not, and never were, calling the shots.
Targeting ACC is pointless, ...

Exactly. It's going to take a governmental policy change to get what we're after. Not something ACC has anything to do with (besides providing data that is suspect at best).

[short-circuit]

Ian? where art thou?

Right here retard, and it seems to me that no one is buying your bullshit.

[drummer]

*sigh*
ACC are not, and never were, calling the shots.
THE GOVERNMENT must be made to see that NZ will not stand for what they are doing. And that to continue will be political suicide.
In fact, all MPs, of all stripes, must be made to realise that ACC is NEVER to be fucked with. EVER.
ACC is off-limits to all political agendas.
NOT NEGOTIABLE.

I agree with a few things here, but ACC imho are calling the shots.. it shows because John Judge will get his way, if allowed... Myth is merely a puppet.. and thats what is wrong here... Smith should tell the ACC to pull it's head in, but hes been told figures by ACC that are rong but he HAS to spout... it is Judge who first called ACC an insurance company... I believe also that the government should be targeted however my difference in opinion is that the POLICY is the problem... and the weakness of Myth... the government is popular.. the polikcy is not... therein lies another problem.. to target a popular government is harder than to attack an unpopular CEO and unpopular policy... remember that even most Nat voters (that I talk to) don't believe the government is doing the right thing with being a puppet to ACC and Judge.

I agree also that ACC should be offlimits as far as the oodhouse principles are concerned.... to ALL parties..

Peter

[drummer]

Exactly. It's going to take a governmental policy change to get what we're after. .

Agree here too, however... how to get that change... do we attack a popular government or an unpopular CEO and policy?

Peter

[short-circuit]

You're brain damaged Bummer. John Judge (and the rest of the ACC board) were political appointments.

How many times does it need to be said?: The National Party plan to privatise ACC - their ideology is free-market everything. Retard.

[taff1954]

... John Judge will get his way, if allowed...

And he will get his way because he is being told what to do. Get this through your head. Judge was appointed by National. He can be sacked by National. His strings are being pulled by others. As so many have said in this thread, National has long talked about the privatisation of ACC. Judge is the puppet, not Smith.

The only valid target is the National party.

[drummer]

(Edited for the sake of sensible people here

I'm Right here -Pete-,

Ahh there ya are

Seriously ...Mate... I don't care about your political beliefs.. we here and outside of our little group need to be united... not divided.. or do you disagree? Imagine.. if you would for a tad... that we could put your differences with me behind you... and embrace some logic.. I don't claim to have all the answers... no one does... but I haven't heard ANY from you... just abuse.. except for this one.. rather a nice post once edited... stop and think about it... I'm prepared to listen to YOUR ideas... but what are they? Lay them down here... lets see hat YOU would do to lead a campaign against the ACC levies?

I'm all ears...

Peter

[drummer]

And he will get his way because he is being told what to do. Get this through your head. Judge was appointed by National. He can be sacked by National. His strings are being pulled by others. As so many have said in this thread, National has long talked about the privatisation of ACC. Judge is the puppet, not Smith.

The only valid target is the National party.

Hey Taff

Judge was the first to call ACC an insurance company.. that was virtually proved at the Akl meeting...

Just think about the task of attacking the Nats as a whole... I don't disagree that currently as the party in power they set policy... however surely convincing more than half the nation that National it'[s self is bad rather than the policy.. thats a far harder ask... many are like me... National leaning and voting but hate to a core the new ACC policy... policy can change quickly... look at the foreshore and seabed under Labour... b ut Goverments riding very high in the polls don't..

Its plain easier...and doesn't marginalise Nat leaning riders...not all Nat voters.. including me.. like this policy. It may even.. no probably will make me rethink my party vote... not to Labour but who knows... the Kiwi party?

We must embrace I believe the idea of policy attack and change.. not try to single handedly bring down a whole government... policy change will win our cause WITH more support...

my 5c

Peter

[spacemonkey]

The only valid target is the National party.

Umm.... I'd be inclined to add the act party to the target list personally.



Although Nick Smith will always be first against the wall!

[sinfull]

Hey Taff

Judge was the first to call ACC an insurance company.. that was virtually proved at the Akl meeting...

Just think about the task of attacking the Nats as a whole... I don't disagree that currently as the party in power they set policy... however surely convincing more than half the nation that National it'[s self is bad rather than the policy.. thats a far harder ask... many are like me... National leaning and voting but hate to a core the new ACC policy... policy can change quickly... look at the foreshore and seabed under Labour... b ut Goverments riding very high in the polls don't..

Its plain easier...and doesn't marginalise Nat leaning riders...not all Nat voters.. including me.. like this policy. It may even.. no probably will make me rethink my party vote... not to Labour but who knows... the Kiwi party?

We must embrace I believe the idea of policy attack and change.. not try to single handedly bring down a whole government... policy change will win our cause WITH more support...

my 5c

Peter

Nah mann the marajawaaananga party, thats who to vote for they swing any which way for a bit of good shit !~

Seriously though, where was it key (note the lack of caps) made his millions ?
Where did his campaign money come from ?
Who does he owe big time ?
Who was it (just after the election) that came up with the brilliant idea that ACC should be privatised ?
I bet key slapped himself on the forehead at the time thinking "Richaaaaard, i said vote with me on everything i say, don't blow it by revealing everything i said !"
Some seem to forget !
Others stand by with a slingshot !

Who stands to make millions if ACC IS privatised ?
Those who backed key !
Who backed key ?
Insurance !
Where did key make his millions ?
Insurance !
He owes them


Do we lie down ?

[drummer]

Seriously though, where was it key (note the lack of caps) made his millions ?
Where did his campaign money come from ?
Who does he owe big time ?
Who was it (just after the election) that came up with the brilliant idea that ACC should be privatised ?
I bet key slapped himself on the forehead at the time thinking "Richaaaaard, i said vote with me on everything i say, don't blow it by revealing everything i said !"
Some seem to forget !
Others stand by with a slingshot !

OK... I disagree with your ideas re John Key... but thats not relevant to this I believe.. what I am trying to get across to all of us here is that whether you like Key or the NP or don't... we need to embrace the idea of putting personal dislikes aside... why? Because like it or not.. John Key and the Nats are hugely popular... look outside the square... imagine trying to convince all the John Key voters to vote for labour because of ACC levies... lets get real... the Kiwi way is for people to roll over and take it... surely however, a policy attack WILL win many National and Key supporters... Even Nat voters can hate a certain policy.. even MP's... look at Maurice Williamson in the last few years!!

Peter