Call to WAR

[drummer]

Did you set your alarm for this one ! You should be more aware, bourbon drinkers are similar to crack hoes ! We just want to fuck with someone all night rather than sleep but usually do it very badly !

Funny thing is i have never voted, but may well do next election !!

Hehe

No can't sleep and having few ales whilst invoicing clients... bloody tired and a bit over the abuse really... I'll anser that other thing tomorro... can't think well at mo
cya

Peter

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Hehe

No can't sleep and having few ales whilst invoicing clients... bloody tired and a bit over the abuse really... I'll anser that other thing tomorro... can't think well at mo
cya

Peter

Yeah you said you'd answer that other thing tommorrow in the PM you sent earlier ! When you said you were too tired to answer that other thing and were going to sleep, should i go look what time you sent that PM ?
Sleep well sleeper !
I will look forward to your posts tommorrow !~

[drummer]

Yeah you said you'd answer that other thing tommorrow in the PM you sent earlier ! When you said you were too tired to answer that other thing and were going to sleep, should i go look what time you sent that PM ?
Sleep well sleeper !
I will look forward to your posts tommorrow !~

Cheers mate.. stressed out at mo.. end of term stuff and all that... couldn't sleep and an awake wife aint happy!

Must sleeeeppppp up at 5am..

keep the head up...

Peter

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Cheers mate.. stressed out at mo.. end of term stuff and all that... couldn't sleep and an awake wife aint happy!

Must sleeeeppppp up at 5am..

keep the head up...

Peter

Just found your thread hahahah what a crock !

Someone said it well when they said "One must wonder who is working for whom, from the inside" I gave up a page or so after that (but i will go back) and i notice there was no repute from your corner ???
Hi to the wife !

[Conquiztador]

The Welly BIKEOI was good. (I do ride for less worthy causes and enjoy it!)

The "BULLSHIT" remarks were spot on. (Made Smittys lies drown in the noise)

Tha lack of understanding from our government was no surprise. (They are pushing on, nothing can stand in the way, after all, they know best what is good for us, we are only foolish plebs)

The "reduced" increases of the ACC fees were as expected. (They got exactley what they were always planning)

The Ulysses approach was a dissappointment. (The name will now be used by bikers when wanting to say: "Thank's for fucking me up my ass, I really liked that!")

Now the issue will be to keep the momentum going. This will be hard. Many reason that we have won; the fees are not as high as initially adviced.

But, as I have always stated, the main problem is to have one cause that all can subscribe to. Once we start to look at ideological reasons why we should keep the fight going it will fall apart. We all have different political views and we all have different results we want. Only one thing can keep us all going: One common enemy (We had that: The high levies). Some on here have a deeper conviction, they want to change things forever. Most of us just want to keep our money.

I do not have the answer where to from here. But I would like to be part of some more hard hitting action. Get some scars I can show my grandkids...

[MSTRS:Me]

Now the issue will be to keep the momentum going. This will be hard. Many reason that we have won; the fees are not as high as initially adviced.

I'm not so sure that the road will be as hard as you say. More and more people are 'getting it'. I'm doing my level best to put this stuff in front of them. An extract from my latest missive...

Barring m/c levies, car levies, earner and employer levies have been raised a small amount. Again. In 2008, an employee paid 78 cents/$100, that jumped to $1.70/$100 this year and next year it’ll be $2/$100. But no increase on the petrol levy this time. We can all be somewhat relieved at that news. Or can we? All the signs are there for us to recognise that this ‘backdown’ by the minister is only temporary. He’ll be back next year for some more. And the year after that.

[StoneY]

Now.. when you've finished being an abusive alcolholic, perhaps you may want to apologise... I've never abused u... dear me you Labour people sometimes get into a frenzy!! LOL...

Peter

For a start, im not an alchoholic, and was relatively sober

Secondly, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever apologise to a arrogant pratt like you
It was worth the infraction to post what I said

Have a great day Peter
And if you think JK is still gonna be round in 3 years, thats your privellege, I for one disagree

[short-circuit]

For a start, im not an alchoholic, and was relatively sober

Secondly, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever apologise to a arrogant pratt like you
It was worth the infraction to post what I said

Have a great day Peter
And if you think JK is still gonna be round in 3 years, thats your privellege, I for one disagree

Check out flip flop number four:

[Conquiztador]

From http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/gr...ctrb118108.doc

"4. What is the proposed employer and self-employed levy rate for 2010/11? The combined average work levy rate proposed for 2010/11 is $1.89 per $100 of payroll or earnings from self-employment – which is 58 cents higher than the current rate of $1.31."

So that is an increase of approx 40%...


But then I find this ( at http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/smith...-rates/5/32788 )

"The Government has adopted the following rates:  The Earners' Account Levy (paid by all employees and self employed to cover their non-work, non-motor vehicle injuries) will increase from $1.70 to $2.00 (including GST) per $100 of liable earnings from 1 April 2010.  The average composite employer and self-employed levy will increase from $1.31 to $1.47 per $100 of payroll from 1 April 2010. This levy excludes GST and is an average rate. Individual rates for industry groups may be higher or lower.  The ACC component of the motor vehicle license fee for a petrol car will increase from $168.46 to $198.46 from 1 July 2010 while the ACC petrol levy will remain at 9.90 cents per litre."

I stand confused.

EDIT: Correction: Clearly the first was the proposded one by ACC and the second one the adapted by the gummint!

[MSTRS:Me]

From http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/gr...ctrb118108.doc

"4. What is the proposed employer and self-employed levy rate for 2010/11? The combined average work levy rate proposed for 2010/11 is $1.89 per $100 of payroll or earnings from self-employment – which is 58 cents higher than the current rate of $1.31."

So that is an increase of approx 40%...

But the 'final' figure is only $1.47...only 11%. What's inflation running at?
Any rise is abhorrent.

[Karl08]

Thought this thread was a "Call to War"... unity, forging on against a common foe etc.

From the cheap seats, my view is this- if there are those who are not committed to the same course of action as most people seem to be, then do not waste ours and your time by trying to divide the "ranks".

Have your own opinion by all means, but once we start sniping at each other, we run the risk of causing more damage to our cause than Nick and his cronies could ever hope to do.

So start your own thread (as some have done), continue your conversations via PM (as some have done), hell- even talk face to face ; but the personal attacks of the nature we have seen run the great risk of deterring potential "recruits". Our sights needs to be set on the "common enemy", not constantly being distracted by fighting from within.

This is not a "why can't we all get along" impassioned plea- I am not that naive, nor am I a hippy. I am simply saying, we either fight the enemy or we fight ourselves.

Your choice.

[StoneY]

From todays Herald Opinion section, a nice write up by some smart people

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...0615740&pnum=0

Hes losing face....2 more years at this rate and we will win


Two issues have clearly spooked the Prime Minister.

First, leading businesspeople have made it clear they are not impressed with the quick-fire manner in which Key publicly jettisoned the recommendations that Don Brash's team rolled out in the 2025 Taskforce's first report.

While the business sector doesn't adopt Brash's report holus bolus, many are not happy that the Government's standard response to many politically unpalatable options has been to close off debate rather than engage in the substantive recommendations, many of which simply mirror suggestions by reputable bodies like the OECD.

Second, the latest TV3 poll shows nearly 40 per cent of respondents believe Key is more about "style than substance" .

The upshot is this rating on the preferred Prime Minister stakes has dropped to under 50 per cent for the first time this year.

He has also suffered a 9.4 per cent loss on the approval ratings for how he is performing his role.

[oldrider]

The Welly BIKEOI was good. (I do ride for less worthy causes and enjoy it!)

The "BULLSHIT" remarks were spot on. (Made Smittys lies drown in the noise)

Tha lack of understanding from our government was no surprise. (They are pushing on, nothing can stand in the way, after all, they know best what is good for us, we are only foolish plebs)

The "reduced" increases of the ACC fees were as expected. (They got exactley what they were always planning)

The Ulysses approach was a dissappointment. (The name will now be used by bikers when wanting to say: "Thank's for fucking me up my ass, I really liked that!")

Now the issue will be to keep the momentum going. This will be hard. Many reason that we have won; the fees are not as high as initially adviced.

But, as I have always stated, the main problem is to have one cause that all can subscribe to. Once we start to look at ideological reasons why we should keep the fight going it will fall apart. We all have different political views and we all have different results we want. Only one thing can keep us all going: One common enemy (We had that: The high levies). Some on here have a deeper conviction, they want to change things forever. Most of us just want to keep our money.

I do not have the answer where to from here. But I would like to be part of some more hard hitting action. Get some scars I can show my grandkids...

I reckon that you are right on the money CQ, all the political bias will kill this initiative through division!

None of the current political aspirants (parties) will do a damn thing for motorcyclists unless they can see us as a united pressure group worthy of their attention!

So far non of our motorcycle leaders have demonstrated the ability to rise to that level IMHO but I think Les has been the most impressive so far!

He has won my respect even though we are poles apart politically!

[phred]

Thought this thread was a "Call to War"... unity, forging on against a common foe etc.

From the cheap seats, my view is this- if there are those who are not committed to the same course of action as most people seem to be, then do not waste ours and your time by trying to divide the "ranks".

Have your own opinion by all means, but once we start sniping at each other, we run the risk of causing more damage to our cause than Nick and his cronies could ever hope to do.

So start your own thread (as some have done), continue your conversations via PM (as some have done), hell- even talk face to face ; but the personal attacks of the nature we have seen run the great risk of deterring potential "recruits". Our sights needs to be set on the "common enemy", not constantly being distracted by fighting from within.

This is not a "why can't we all get along" impassioned plea- I am not that naive, nor am I a hippy. I am simply saying, we either fight the enemy or we fight ourselves.

Your choice.

Egg Zachary.
Stop bitchin and start organising.
This is a motorcycle forum not a political forum.

[StoneY]

I have been organising...another huge event coming in Feb that will dwarf the BIKEOI (not belittle it, add to its momentum I hope)

There is no possibility of this topic NOT becoming political, its politics right at its very core, and sadly yes its an us vs the Nats issue, so many Nats supporters are going to be offended, (eggs and omlettes)

Motorcycle forum or not, this is a POLITICAL battle, and I for one am just grateful Spankme and the KB web team have given us dedicated ACC Campaign (a political campaign whether you like it or not) space to post, rant, and discuss (read ARGUE) this issue

I like Oldriders post above too, nice post mate im out of bling tho, sending tomorro lol


It is true to get to united views is gonna be real hard, lets try focus on the target, but even then that goes full circle and we are back to politics, because as we all know the politics are driving this issue, the attempted privatization of ACC by stealth and dishonesty