Call to WAR

[Bald Eagle]

I have been organising...another huge event coming in Feb that will dwarf the BIKEOI (not belittle it, add to its momentum I hope)

There is no possibility of this topic NOT becoming political, its politics right at its very core, and sadly yes its an us vs the Nats issue, so many Nats supporters are going to be offended, (eggs and omlettes)

Motorcycle forum or not, this is a POLITICAL battle, and I for one am just grateful Spankme and the KB web team have given us dedicated ACC Campaign (a political campaign whether you like it or not) space to post, rant, and discuss (read ARGUE) this issue

I like Oldriders post above too, nice post mate im out of bling tho, sending tomorro lol


It is true to get to united views is gonna be real hard, lets try focus on the target, but even then that goes full circle and we are back to politics, because as we all know the politics are driving this issue, the attempted privatization of ACC by stealth and dishonesty

We all have to realise that this issue is bigger than bikes or party loyalties. It's time to be bigger than 'party loyalties" and make our stand on the basis of whats best for all NZ'ers. Unlike the members of parliament who are required by their party rules to tow the party line we have the freedom off speaking and acting according to our own concsiences on this issue.

We also have an opportunity to remind politicians of all parties that the voters have a voice and we will be heard. They ignore us at their peril.

P.S bling awarded on your behalf.

[oldrider]

driving this issue, the attempted privatization of ACC by stealth and dishonesty

Personally I am a motorcyclist first and foremost!

Political loyalties or not the above is the driving issue for me and the underlying conspiracy against motorcycles, driven by the AA opportunists!

They must be made to learn not to mess with motorcyclists, full stop!

Under MMP the politicians and their particular circus are as diverse as we are, if we remain strong and true it will only be a matter of who flinches first, let it be them!

Beware of these, this is a flinch.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

A call to arms...
We were practising our call to arms at Kopara and here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=96045&page=44

We should send in all images and video's to Nix myth... this us getting angry

[mikeey01]

From todays Herald Opinion section, a nice write up by some smart people
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...0615740&pnum=0 [/I]

Nice find Stoney... I much prefer this line 2010 "Is going to be an important year".. me thinks lets mess this up for em... How best can we be a pain in the arse for them? pointing out each lie?
Month after month, no let up and gaining momentum on each.

Behind the scenes, the Prime Minister stresses that 2010 will be a very important year for his Government. He plans to stake out an economic plan that people "can understand and buy into".

The last bit grates me "can understand and buy into" In other words more lifes, bull shit and deceit.

[Blue TLS]

This ones for drummer and all other nat supporters

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/merryl...privatise-acc/


john key is going to privatise acc smith, judge etc are taking orders from him.

Standard national policy keep the poor people poor but smile while you're doing it

now everyone stop bitchin at each other so we can try and stop ACC becoming an australian insurance company

New slogan "Whats Next, Sell Kiwibank"

[Blue TLS]

The enemy has been identified and the battle lines are drawn, I'm digging in and then I will attempt to unleash the secret weapon. The plan is sound but relies on external influence so it could be an abysmal failure or the fastest solution to our problem, have to do a wee bit more research and get some inside info.

Timing will be critical and I'll probably need a bit of help from some of the troops, might have to bounce the idea off Stoney and Ixion first to get their opinion and maybe advice

2010 is going to be an exciting year whichever path the battle follows

"We shall fight on the beaches
We shall fight on the landing ground
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets
We shall fight in the hills
We will never surrender"

Or something like that from Churchills speech at the start of "Ace's High" by Iron Maiden

[oldrider]

This ones for drummer and all other nat supporters

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/merryl...privatise-acc/


john key is going to privatise acc smith, judge etc are taking orders from him.

Standard national policy keep the poor people poor but smile while you're doing it

now everyone stop bitchin at each other so we can try and stop ACC becoming an australian insurance company

New slogan "Whats Next, Sell Kiwibank"

ACC (welfare) is a no choice State owned monopoly! Open to abuse and political interference, political fiddling and political price fixing! (Current situation)

Private ACCident insurance is open to competition and personal choice! Not as subject to political interference but is still open to abuse!

Competition means, if you don't like the deal you are getting, (unlike with state monopoly) you can go somewhere else!

With current ACC monopoly, you can't go to another provider! Your only recourse is to stage rallies and protests, just as we are doing at present!

These two choices are the result of political ideals being foisted onto the voting public because they are too stupid to vote for the one they want!

New Zealanders don't vote for what they want, they only vote "out" what they are sick of! (MMP makes it even worse)

Then they react to whatever the new government gives them, when, of course it's too bloody late!

MMP Governments do not fear rallies, protests etc, if they have the numbers, they just get on with it!

They know that the voters will blow themselves apart by concentrating on and defending their political persuasions, in preference to focussing on the outcome they want from their protestations!

Me, I believe the danger for the mob (us) is in the wilderness of indecision between the two extremes! (where we are currently)

If you don't decide on one or the other and go for it in a united front, the whole protest mission is doomed to failure! IMHO

This is basically a socialist country so the one most likely to succeed is ACC (welfare) monopoly!

Not my personal choice but I would run with it for the chance to win the day! Why? Because I am a motorcyclist and we are being used and lied to and about!

If you want to enter into a fight, you must know your enemy and know what it is you are fighting "for", then how well you fight depends upon how much you want the victory!

Remember that in this fight, you will be paying for the costs of both sides, your taxes are propping up the enemy to fight against you, while you scratch and scrape to finance your own efforts as well!

The odds are really stacked in the enemies (government) favour and they are only there because of public apathy in the first place!

Remember, it will be long and will not be easy!

Are you ready to commit yourself to the entire "war"?

[MSTRS:Me]

Can you submit that post as a letter to ed in a national daily?

[Blue TLS]

Hello Oldrider, very well written post with a couple of points we should all consider. Personally I only want ACC as it was originally intended not the farce it has become and if I had to choose between privatisation or current ACC privatisation would win and a bunch of aussies would get richer.

And yes its going to be a long hard war but Ive been riding for 27 years and it'll be a cold day in hell before I let any person or party price me or legislate me off the road.

Look out john key for you have awoken the sleeping monster and he will not rest until you either capitulate or resign.

Bikoi 09 surprised everyone, we are a force to be reckoned with and our numbers and support are swelling. Me, I cant wait to get stuck in 2010 will be the year we turn that surprise into shock and horror for our enemy, if we all stick together we can make the partys understand we will not be ripped off we will not be victimized and we will not be silenced. Time to stand up and say this is our country and we will not let you sell it to the highest bidder

Time for a ride, see you all at the next protest

[DEVVIL]

And yes its going to be a long hard war but Ive been riding for 27 years and it'll be a cold day in hell before I let any person or party price me or legislate me off the road.


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See you all in Wellington Feb 2010

[caseye]

It'll be bye bye Johnny boy and the Nats once we've shown them what they're up against next time.

[oldrider]

It'll be bye bye Johnny boy and the Nats once we've shown them what they're up against next time.

Don't disagree at all but who you gonna replace them with, out of the motley bunch on offer?

And following the election it will be a fruit salad of a mix as well, bit of a lucky dip government that you didn't want and probably didn't vote for

We will probably be attending demonstrations and protests for the rest of our lives!

[caseye]

LOL Ouch! a low blow indeed, butt of course it's 100% right.
Pity is that this lot simply think (here we go again) that they know Best for the rest of us.
If we could educate them and get them to do our bidding, ie: referendum that bloody well binds we'd be much happier as a nation.
That damn flag would go, welfare would dry up, kids could be properly disciplined and a/holes would have to work for a living.
Oh shit, sorry dreaming again.

[wingrider]

Don't disagree at all but who you gonna replace them with, out of the motley bunch on offer?

And following the election it will be a fruit salad of a mix as well, bit of a lucky dip government that you didn't want and probably didn't vote for

We will probably be attending demonstrations and protests for the rest of our lives!

Yep, agree its a hard one, perhaps.

But to my memory there has been only one party that for the last 40+ years seems hell bent on privatizing SOE's, selling all state assets to the highest bidder for the profit of a few. And only one party has ever come close to bankrupting this country.

Of late there have been referendums that have been futile because who ever was in power, they didnt give a stuff about the outcome, just carried on regardless.

Acc changes this time round appears to have finally opened peoples minds to the point where we are sick of being a vocal majority that is heard by the deaf.

Lies and bullshit continue to be an accepted part of politics regardless of who's in power.

This time it didn't work.

All political parties need to hear it long loud and clear. When you play around with a social entity that causes such massive disruption and affects the everyday life of every living person and for generations yet to come, then the people are not going to shuffle silently into the corner and mumble to themselves.

The deaf are going to hear us, the blind are going to see us and the mute are going to be the loudest when we say enough!

There will always be changes that we dont agree with, But if the people are asked to give an opinion, then our democrocy demands that our voice be heard.

No one wants a nanny state, but shit we dont want a dictatorship that is run by the BRT either.

We elect people to govern in the best interests of and for all, not to continually give benefit to a chosen few.

They want us to be accountable for our actions, then they can bloody well be accountable for their own.

Bullshit is no longer an acceptable defense regardless of who is in power.

[Katman]

New Zealanders don't vote for what they want,

Oh yes they do.

The government just doesn't take any notice.