Call to WAR

[light]

I have a question.... Why doesnt everyone go protest in their cars?

Just think... 5000 cars converge on a city center? Sure I realise it is a bike protest but imagine the Impact of driving that many cars into wellington.

Wear your leathers and take your helmuts put signs on the cars etc. Would make a huge impact imo.

[Bald Eagle]

I have a question.... Why doesnt everyone go protest in their cars?

Just think... 5000 cars converge on a city center? Sure I realise it is a bike protest but imagine the Impact of driving that many cars into wellington.

Wear your leathers and take your helmuts put signs on the cars etc. Would make a huge impact imo.

Only problem is I don't have a car.

[StoneY]

I have a question.... Why doesnt everyone go protest in their cars?

Just think... 5000 cars converge on a city center? Sure I realise it is a bike protest but imagine the Impact of driving that many cars into wellington.

Wear your leathers and take your helmuts put signs on the cars etc. Would make a huge impact imo.

That has been suggested a number of times
Right now, while I dont feel very friendly to anyone at all (hungover sadly) I would say YEAH!

But reality is that will cause us more bad blood than good, and the public are more on our side than ever right now, so lets avoid pissing off Joe too much, hes the guy we are fighting for!

I still remain active in the regional protests, but still caution not to piss of Joe Public, we need him!

February 19 looking like a good date to hit them with 20,000 people or more

radio interview comin up....watch this space

[huff3r]

I'm in for the Woodhouse principles!

[glegge]

+1, in for the long haul..

[BoristheBiter]

Just say where, when and for how long.

[BMWST?]

i cant explain why i am so pissed off with this....I can afford it,and i know the numbers will not be in our favour...BUT i am with you all the way Mr Stone Man.When do the pollies knock of for xmas?

[riffer]

Yeah I'm not happy either. While I was worried about the level of increases, and I'm pleased they're not going to be so high (not half as pleased as Mrs riffer) it's still the small part of the picture.

ACC and Nick Smith have now introduced the concept of differential rates into ACC, based on victim-pays. And that's a major change as far as I'm concerned.

It's a complete violation of the Woodhouse principles and represents an abandonment of the original idea of ACC.

[riffer]

And as for Ulysses, I think we need to accept that they've well and truly been taken over by the affluent motorcycle crowd; the lawyers, doctors, accountants and dentists, who can afford the expensive bikes, and levies, for whom the motorcycle represents a plaything, something for recreational purposes.

And in such they've become irrelevant to the traditional bikers like myself; the ones for whom the bike is transport, it's freedom, its a lifestyle choice.

Fuck them; they don't speak for me. I was hoping that throwing my lot in with Bronz was going to make a difference, and Monday's meeting at the Parrot and Jigger was a good start.

I think that the Welly Branches ideology may not gel to well with the National Executive now Brett. Or are you suggesting we look at something different now?

[silverbak]

Im in for the long haul too. I personally feel like we will continue to be screwed and lied to so we need to be active. All fantastic and sensible ways to structure this levy have been completely ignored. At the end of the day its a political move by the nats and will continue to pushed and pushed and framed to suit them. We are just the unfortunate few at the front of the queue. Does the rest of NZ know that it is affecting everyone and not just bikers ? Any further protests need to bring in all other people and action groups.
At the end of the day, i feel let down by this govt, lied to and shat on. ACC should thank me for avoiding watching the 6 oclock news last night, if i had i would have ram raided my tv screen with my head if the dick smith appeared... war is on..

[MSTRS:Me]

Peace in our time? Not fecking likely...this is my 'declaration of war' on the Prick.

So, our prediction is made real. Levy increases, sizeable but not as much as first mooted. Did you think that we would be happy with that?

We told you, in our thousands, on November 17th, just what we thought of any increases targeting motorcycles. We told you why we thought that way. We've told you in endless communications, direct and indirect. We told ACC in our submissions (you know, the ones you said at Tamaki Yacht Club that you "Didn't care about"). We told you that we knew about the lies you were telling the country. We told you that we knew the true figures, without statistical spin, and we told you what those figures were. We told you that we knew exactly what you were planning. We've told every single MP the same thing.

We told you that we were not fooled, and that what we were hearing from you was BULLSHIT.

You, on the other hand, have proved that you weren't listening. You've pegged back the increase in an effort to 'look good' and hope we'll go away. And yet you persist with the lies and spin doctoring.

I have always been a National/Act voter, but not any more. I never voted over any single issue. But this issue is big enough to overshadow all other considerations. With the help of your 'grey men', you have alienated me and my family. A feat that no-one in your party has ever managed. And I am but one of thousands that thinks that way.

A prediction for you: -

More, and bigger protests. Other targeted user groups are on 'our' side and will be joining with us. The public, with few exceptions, are on 'our' side, so they'll be joining us too. This country does not want what you are planning. And this country is going to make sure that you know it.

Are you ready for that?

Enjoy the brief respite the Christmas break will afford you.

[Toaster]

Fuck yeah...I AM STILL WAY PISSED OFF!!!!

We have to pay more because retard car drivers are too lazy to see us...put it on the filthy fucking cars!

Exactly!


Toaster is always up for WAR.

Has anyone seen my claymore? I left it set up in the garden somewhere......

[StoneY]

MSTRS that rocks
I have distributed this around, waiting on a radio plug too....

'My name is Brent Hutchison

A few weeks ago we helped organize getting around 9,500 bikers to Parliament to refute ACC's underhanded management of the ACC levy increases

It seems the Government did not get the message so we are going to come back and show them that we are serious in our concerns

However, this time: In February we will show this with much larger numbers
We are bringing Unions, Universities, Abuse support groups, and anyone else that wishes to come along because this is a public asset and it belongs to all of us, its not just Bikers that are being hit

I also have a few basic points to make regarding the ACC situation

Points:

ACC has blamed Motorcyclists for the car levy increase, how can they do this, when they say they are a NO Fault system ( Where do they get their information from ) Telling the public it’s the fault of bikers is an outright fabrication

ACC is not broke, it banked over a billion more than it paid out last year in claims
There is NO need for any increase at all on any motor vehicles (bikes or cars), it’s a mandate to have ACC made ready for sale

EVERY New Zealander (every worker that is) faces up to 300$ extra in workplace levy’s, employers will be hit even harder as their fund is uncapped
This is no longer about just bikers, we said, ‘who’s next’ well guess what New Zealand, …….its YOU!

ACC is unique, if we lose it we become another America full of Ambulance chasing litigators, and we lose a national treasure, fault free protection of the entire population, especially the workforce'

[MSTRS:Me]

MSTRS that rocks...

Cheers. Yours is not too shabby either...


I have had one reply (predictably, from Chris Tremain, spouting the partyline BULLSHIT)

Thanks for your email John.
Your position is clear on this issue.
It is an issue where we will continue to differ albeit the position we have come to in my opinion shows that we have listened. Leaving levies in the position they were was not realistic or sustainable.
Kind regards,
Chris Tremain

I offered him a tailor-made serve...

Thanks for your reply. Whatever our 'differing opinion', the fact remains that your govt has chosen to separate motorcycles from the motorpool and levy them on a capacity basis that has little or no bearing on the truth of accident stats. Further to that, the fact that you continue to defend this postion in the basis that levy rates were not realistic nor sustainable...this simply says that you (Nick Smith with the backing of [all?] National MPs) were not listening. ACC is no longer what was designed and introduced in 1974. The splitting of the fund into separate pools should have had NZ seeing the writing on the wall for this unique institution. We see it now. I'm surprised that you don't see that it's strength lay in everyone 'subsidising' everyone else. But now, with smaller pools to draw off, the supposed inequities are large indeed. But using your own argument means that we'll be seeing levies for rugby, cycling, mountaineering, skiing, bowls, etc...won't we? And if not, why not? Motorcyclists have been singled out. Is that because we're an Easy Target?
I remain hopeful that some party members, you included, will see this issue for what it is, and object alongside us as a matter of conscience.
Regards

[scracha]

Nice reply mstrs. Cripes...how much was the levvy just 5 years ago? Talk about inflation.