If Mohammed won't come to the mountain

[mashman]

again and again i'm stunned by the biased reporting in the national/local rags... perhaps it's time to take the media to task, pay them an impromptu, non threatening, visit.

It's a disgrace to see the media hanging on to the coat tails of the government, i'd be surprised if what's being printed at the moment is actually the view point of a real journalist and not just a press release from the Nats office.

You want media attention, maybe it's time for the mountain to go to Mohammed.

[oldrider]

again and again i'm stunned by the biased reporting in the national/local rags... perhaps it's time to take the media to task, pay them an impromptu, non threatening, visit.

It's a disgrace to see the media hanging on to the coat tails of the government, i'd be surprised if what's being printed at the moment is actually the view point of a real journalist and not just a press release from the Nats office.

You want media attention, maybe it's time for the mountain to go to Mohammed.

The only thing that unites us is "motorcycles", as soon as you introduce anything else, like "politics" we are immediately divided!

How are you going to overcome that problem?

[Bald Eagle]

The only thing that unites us is "motorcycles", as soon as you introduce anything else, like "politics" we are immediately divided!

How are you going to overcome that problem?

The thing that binds us all ( sorry Ixion One Ring license) is that we are New Zealanders, and whether we ride bikes horses or cars and vote blue red pink or green doesnt matter.

This is about the govt lying too and shafting the people for someone else to profit..

[awayatc]

This is about the govt lying too and shafting the people for someone else to profit..

And what is new about that..?..

[glegge]

I agree, if we could take a few spokes people to be on some interview panel and talk about ACC, what it was when it started, and what it's become/becoming - not just about bikes, and get that on after the news or something, then we would be getting some murmurs started in the community.
Are we up against good old fashioned New Zealand apathy/'she'll be right mate'.

[scissorhands]

Shall we also support animal rights campaigners, socialist worker, anti war, WTO, coffee, Zion wildlife park, Tino Rangatiratanga, cycle action, GM foods, minimum wage, the state of television, dumming down.....

We love motorcycles, but on the whole increased levies are just a wee drop in the ocean compared to injuctices and struggles that have been ongoing for a many years. And dont be fooled into thinking they dont affect you personally, cause if they affect those around you, there are flow down affects to everyone

[MSTRS:Me]

Shall we also support animal rights campaigners, socialist worker, anti war, WTO, coffee, Zion wildlife park, Tino Rangatiratanga, cycle action, GM foods, minimum wage, the state of television, dumming down.....

We love motorcycles, but on the whole increased levies are just a wee drop in the ocean compared to injuctices and struggles that have been ongoing for a many years. And dont be fooled into thinking they dont affect you personally, cause if they affect those around you, there are flow down affects to everyone

That's working without our help...

Forget about all those other things. To the average person, they are no different to motorcyclists being targeted for higher levies.
That is not what this fight is about.
Every single person in this country is/will be affected by what's going on with ACC.
THAT'S what this fight is about.

[mashman]

The only thing that unites us is "motorcycles", as soon as you introduce anything else, like "politics" we are immediately divided!

How are you going to overcome that problem?

Remove the politics from it. We need to make it a legal argument. I don't have the first clue about it, but making it a legal argument should level the playing field somewhat. I'm not too sure about this next bit, but it is kinda key... As the defence, we would be afforded the right to all pertinent information in regards to the case.

Noone wins a political argument, that's the beauty of politics... the law allows for a winner...

[mashman]

The thing that binds us all ( sorry Ixion One Ring license) is that we are New Zealanders, and whether we ride bikes horses or cars and vote blue red pink or green doesnt matter.

This is about the govt lying too and shafting the people for someone else to profit..

Absolutely... time to roll out the emotives. Ditch the political angle, it'll take too long, too many things can go missing, like ACC and millions of $$$... That's why i mentioned introducing yourself to the editor of NZ's rags... sometimes it's pointless to send them emails... PAH! objection filed in the bin. Let them see the emotion that we have for saving the ACC (and potentially feel it), the emotion that we feel every single day when reading their "govmint propoganda"... but the monotone political drawl isn't and never will work...

They've lied about expenses and admitted it, why there haven't been a raft of fraudulent charges being laid i'll never know? fucked if i know, but i'd like to have my employees dangling by their short and curlies for spending my money on themselves without asking...

Bring the rags and polies down to our level for a scrap if we don't have the experience to fight at their weight!

[mikeey01]

Every ACC office
Every National MP's office
Every Holiday destination for MP's

Seize every opportunity and leave no stone un-turned.

The head ache for those is but about to begin!

Now who works for ACC I wonder
http://www.oldfriends.co.nz/SearchRe...rch_string=acc

Most Government e-mail naming conventions are the same, first name dot last name at etc etc ...

[pritch]

the law allows for a winner...

Indeed it does. The lawyers!

[Winston001]

again and again i'm stunned by the biased reporting in the national/local rags... perhaps it's time to take the media to task, pay them an impromptu, non threatening, visit.

It's a disgrace to see the media hanging on to the coat tails of the government, i'd be surprised if what's being printed at the moment is actually the view point of a real journalist and not just a press release from the Nats office.

Yeah I used to think the same until I got to know a few reporters. They are under constant pressure to produce stories all day every day. Plus those stories must have a "hook" to drag the reader/viewer in.

So the story becomes exaggerated or only partly represented, whatever it takes to fit and remain interesting. The detail gets lost.

Press releases from Parliament are staple food for the media which they then refer to known commentators for another point of view. But small stories like bikers ACC levies get lost and there aren't any obvious commentators to ask.

In my opinion the government backdown is very much in response to the Bikois and intelligent public representation of us by the likes of Ixion. The politicians never expected bikers to be organised let alone well spoken and articulate.

Also some media have been good at publishing our letters and reporting the opposition once they knew about it.