So - Is not paying ANY ACC the answer?

**DougieNZ** · 11th December 2009, 14:18

OK - So we have seen the final figures announced...

So now we have many on here saying:

"I'm putting my registration on hold - and still ride"
"I'm not going to pay"

I have no doubt that the next move will be to put the no rego fine up to $500.

During the campaign we talked about the "freeloaders" quads, mountain bikers, sports people, etc etc.

For those advocating the above - is joining their ranks going to help the situation? Will they still want to claim ACC when they come off? Should they be entitled to ACC if they knowingly avoid payment? Will insurance companies pay out? Should they - using my premiums if I do pay my rego?

Intersting questions I reckon.

**Coldrider** · 11th December 2009, 14:55

Freeload for an extra $175 all you like, I don't want to read posts about it if/when you get busted.
The fine is $1,000, it's the 'instant fine' that is $200.

**What?** · 11th December 2009, 14:59

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

OK - So we have seen the final figures announced...

So now we have many on here saying:

"I'm putting my registration on hold - and still ride"
"I'm not going to pay"

I have no doubt that the next move will be to put the no rego fine up to $500.

During the campaign we talked about the "freeloaders" quads, mountain bikers, sports people, etc etc.

For those advocating the above - is joining their ranks going to help the situation? Will they still want to claim ACC when they come off? Should they be entitled to ACC if they knowingly avoid payment? Will insurance companies pay out? Should they - using my premiums if I do pay my rego?

Intersting questions I reckon.

Well, for starters, the "freeloaders" are paying for sporting injury cover. It comes from the Earner Premium attached to PAYE. Only the unemployed dodge that. Employers pay another levy again to cover you for work accidents.
As for me being a freeloader if I ride unregistered, maybe you have a point IF I owned one bike and no other vehicles. But I own two (road) bikes and two cars. And I still pay several hundred dollars a year in ACC levies on the fuel I use.
The only real freeloaders are the life-long unemployed who never use anything powered by an internal combustion engine (this includes buses, taxis and planes - think about it)

**Nasty** · 11th December 2009, 15:32

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

OK - So we have seen the final figures announced...

So now we have many on here saying:

"I'm putting my registration on hold - and still ride"
"I'm not going to pay"

I have no doubt that the next move will be to put the no rego fine up to $500.

During the campaign we talked about the "freeloaders" quads, mountain bikers, sports people, etc etc.

For those advocating the above - is joining their ranks going to help the situation? Will they still want to claim ACC when they come off? Should they be entitled to ACC if they knowingly avoid payment? Will insurance companies pay out? Should they - using my premiums if I do pay my rego?

Intersting questions I reckon.

Rego is not the only form of collection ... and those who you mentioned don't take money from the motoring fund ... its from the general funds. Which we also pay shitloads into to. So the only person who it affects is you by not paying .. as others say don't moan if you get pinged .. but if you choose to not reg ... remember you still need to warrent.

**Maha** · 11th December 2009, 15:42

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

OK - So we have seen the final figures announced...

So now we have many on here saying:

"I'm putting my registration on hold - and still ride"
"I'm not going to pay"

I have no doubt that the next move will be to put the no rego fine up to $500.

During the campaign we talked about the "freeloaders" quads, mountain bikers, sports people, etc etc.

For those advocating the above - is joining their ranks going to help the situation? Will they still want to claim ACC when they come off? Should they be entitled to ACC if they knowingly avoid payment? Will insurance companies pay out? Should they - using my premiums if I do pay my rego?

Intersting questions I reckon.

What is the fine for no Rego?

Those that are saying they will put thier rego on hold are counting on getting pinged once, whos to say they wont get pinged 3-4 times during a year?

I can see rego/warrent check points on the increase.

**twotyred** · 11th December 2009, 16:15

I think the best idea is not "on hold" and ride, but pay in VERY short time frames...2 weeks, a month.
Sure it will cost YOU a little more(if you look at it in annual terms) but it means you are not giving your hard earned cash to the Gubmint for a years rego,for them to invest,spend or add tp the ACC surplus.
If all motorcyclists dropped the "pre-pay for a year" regime, that the state wants you to think should be the norm... what would be the outcome I wonder?

**Mcycle** · 11th December 2009, 16:30

Putting rego on hold is one answer..... continuing to protest is the other. I like the idea of another Major ride in protest (say) in March just before the fees actually go up.

It is worth it......? Ask yourselves how many times has a cop stopped you to in the last 2 years. The answer will give you an idea.

As to the cops having to put the fines up - that would be a great indication that our protest is being noticed!

Lastly it is relatively easy to doctor rego's so while riding on 'Hold' it still looks valid..... it takes just one number (font is Times New Roman - 60 point) to turn 2010 to 2011!! But this is naughty so not advocated here!! Nudge Nudge......

**AllanB** · 11th December 2009, 16:33

Originally Posted by What?

As for me being a freeloader if I ride unregistered, maybe you have a point IF I owned one bike and no other vehicles. But I own two (road) bikes and two cars.

It's been this way for ever - funny how it is a issue now. It is not a Motorcycle only issue as it affects all multi vehicle owners - hell even my trailer rego has a very small ACC content in it - probably due to some motorcyclist cutting a corner and hitting a parked trailer

The only way that not paying the additional rego would work is if 90% of motorcyclists did not pay, and then did not pay the associated fines. That would get their attention. A handful of bikers getting fines for unregistered bikes will only add to the Government coffers.

If you want to address the multi-user issue start writing to your MP and Nick Smith and ACC. A letter to Parliament costs nothing to post.

**Mom** · 11th December 2009, 16:35

Originally Posted by Mcycle

Putting rego on hold is one answer..... continuing to protest is the other. I like the idea of another Major ride in protest (say) in March just before the fees actually go up.

It is worth it......? Ask yourselves how many times has a cop stopped you to in the last 2 years. The answer will give you an idea.

As to the cops having to put the fines up - that would be a great indication that our protest is being noticed!

Lastly it is relatively easy to doctor rego's so while riding on 'Hold' it still looks valid..... it takes just one number (font is Times New Roman - 60 point) to turn 2010 to 2011!! But this is naughty so not advocated here!! Nudge Nudge......

And if you get pulled over for any reason the first thing they will do is run you plate. So you will also get done for fraudulently altering a rego sticker. Wonder what the penalty for that is?

All I can see happening is plod focussing more on checking bikes for rego/WOF etc much more often, and the fines being increased.

**AllanB** · 11th December 2009, 16:45

Originally Posted by Mcycle

Lastly it is relatively easy to doctor rego's so while riding on 'Hold' it still looks valid..... it takes just one number (font is Times New Roman - 60 point) to turn 2010 to 2011!! But this is naughty so not advocated here!! Nudge Nudge......

Problem here is if you get stopped for any reason and they run it through the computer it will show up as being unregistered. Then you need to be doing some fancy talking or dropping to your knees and forming a pretty 'O' with your mouth .........

**Headbanger** · 11th December 2009, 16:50

Originally Posted by Mom

And if you get pulled over for any reason the first thing they will do is run you plate.

Only if you stop.

**Headbanger** · 11th December 2009, 16:54

Like any form of action it would require large numbers to participate, Waste of time if only a few bother unless they are doing it as a "Fuck you" personal protest.

However, If thousands of motorcycles suddenly dropped off the system then their revenue would plummet and they would get the message that we aren't allowing them to do that shit.

**Spearfish** · 11th December 2009, 16:56

If there are less bikes registered then there are less bikes on the road according to ACC at any one time. .

**Mom** · 11th December 2009, 16:58

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Like any form of action it would require large numbers to participate, Waste of if only a few bother unless they are doing it as a "Fuck you" personal protest.

However, If thousands of motorcycles suddenly dropped off the system then their revenue would plummet and they would get the message that we aren't allowing them to do that shit.

I never said I did not support it