So - Is not paying ANY ACC the answer?

**What?** · 11th December 2009, 18:43

Originally Posted by AllanB

If you want to address the multi-user issue start writing to your MP and Nick Smith and ACC. A letter to Parliament costs nothing to post.

I've been doing just that, regularly, for over twenty years...

Originally Posted by Mom

All I can see happening is plod focussing more on checking bikes for rego/WOF etc much more often, and the fines being increased.

A walk around any BOP shopping mall carpark would indicate that the cops don't see rego currency as a priority. I'm guessing it is pretty much the same story elsewhere. Of course, if you get pulled for something else and play the arsehole, then you very likely will get done.

**Mom** · 11th December 2009, 18:46

Originally Posted by What?

I've been doing just that, regularly, for over twenty years...

A walk around any BOP shopping mall carpark would indicate that the cops don't see rego currency as a priority. I'm guessing it is pretty much the same story elsewhere. Of course, if you get pulled for something else and play the arsehole, then you very likely will get done.

Between you and me I have never displayed a current Rego on my bike. It lives in my pocket, I dont have a holder on the bike, too poor to buy one

I have also never been pulled while riding. My fear is that they will start targetting bikes for easy revenue.

I am happy to run the gauntlet

**Katman** · 11th December 2009, 18:53

Who gives a fuck how many 'no rego' fines you get?

You refuse to pay the fine and request a defended hearing.

Who cares if you are found guilty at the defended hearing?

You refuse to pay point blank. (It's not like you're up for murder, ffs).

Very soon the court system is gridlocked, ACC has no money coming in, the government are forced to front up across the table and we then get to demand some common sense be introduced into their decision making.

It is the only way we can force the governments hand.

**mashman** · 11th December 2009, 18:55

Oh no, bike levies have fallen dramatically, what to do... hmmmm... i know, let's create a new account for motorcycles. But that's just 1 potential outcome.

**YellowDog** · 11th December 2009, 19:12

Originally Posted by Pixie

I think we should take the French option.
But I'm pissing in the wind with spineless kiwis

I think that the term 'spineless kiwis' is a little strong!

But the analogy with the French is a good one.

Forget rego costs: Go back a few years and tell the frogs that as the government runs the country like a casino (which Dr Bollard does appear to do) and mortgage interest rates go up to 25%; what would happen.

Riots of the streets and off with their heads; is what the frogs would do.

What did Kiwis do?

Put up and pay up.

It's a cultural thing which has advantages as well as dissadvantages.

ACC is a Rolls Royce type service which is funded by Joe Public.

Seems crazy to me but it does have some strong merits and may be as efficient as many other systems form developed countries (I don't know).

Paying the ACC on your rego 2, 3, 4 or 5 times depending upon how many vehicles you register seems pretty unfair. Particularly as you are only able to drive/ride one at a time and hence the potential exposure liability does not match actual potential for any claim.

FYI: If you crash a vehicle in just about any other developed country in the world, it is the motor insurance company that is reponsible for the liability, injuries, and reparations.

There is no compusory insurance requirement in New Zealand and maybe this might be good start. It seems that a great deal of money is being drained from ACC reserves by uninsured accidents and ACC is being heavily relied on to reduce or remove any need for insurance (like it's a free insurance company).

The fairness for such a system is clear as insuring 5 vehicles to ride only one at a time would be more reasonably priced (IME).

And so far as adding 2.5% to GST; like the proposers of such actually understand the national ramifications of such a change. Yeh right!

I admire those whom staunchly support the founding principals of ACC but there is now a clear disparity with its original design and how it is presently been used. This disparity needs to be addressed in some way. The initial proposals were total madness and IMO thought through by unqualified idiots.

Much needs to change in an attempt to help ACC evolve into something that is better for New Zealand as a whole. I don't know what that will be however what I do know if that our plight and fight is just one small part of a considerably larger picture.

Many changes have been proposed and will be implimented. Surely it would be sensible to take stock at some future time when the actual implications of such changes can be gaged and reported back. I do certainly hope that ACC finds a way of acurately measuring motorcycle road accidents.

So my protesting is over and out. Yes I do think the system is unfair and I am very grateful to those whom have been able to calmly and consisely communicate the issues as we see them. It is very easy to lose control and the plot whilst facing idiots with their heads up their arses that they cannot see the light of day. But that is what politicians are and it takes a great deal of skill and determination to get any kind of message over.

So such efforts have been successful and indeed more successful that I had imagined considering the comments over the French analogy given above.

As Les rightly says, this is only round one. Round two will have some more concrete facts as to the effect of the expensive changed that we are having to endure.

We have now made a start. Prior to this we had not: so I commend those whom have worked so hard and also those whom have shown up when called upon to give support.

If some want to throw their toys out of the pram and ruin the hardwork and alienate the motorcycling community, then I would advise them to think again and consider the negative impact of such behaviour.

Over and out

**The Everlasting** · 11th December 2009, 19:18

Most likely I won't be paying up,as I currently have three vehicles.

I don't even wanna add up what that will cost under the new levies.

**What?** · 11th December 2009, 19:26

Originally Posted by Pixie

I think we should take the French option.

I assume you are referring to 1789 rather than 1989...

**mikeey01** · 11th December 2009, 19:28

Originally Posted by Katman

Who gives a fuck how many 'no rego' fines you get?

You refuse to pay the fine and request a defended hearing.

Who cares if you are found guilty at the defended hearing?

You refuse to pay point blank. (It's not like you're up for murder, ffs).

Very soon the court system is gridlocked, ACC has no money coming in, the government are forced to front up across the table and we then get to demand some common sense be introduced into their decision making.

It is the only way we can force the governments hand.

Now this makes sense, I like it!

Offer to pay the motor vehicle part only, as you've already paid the acc part on another rego.
This make sense?

**Mr Merde** · 11th December 2009, 19:37

Originally Posted by Pixie

I think we should take the French option.
But I'm pissing in the wind with spineless kiwis

The French option.

Storm the Bastile (Beehive), Drag out all the aristos (polititians), execute them. Then start on the governmental beaurocracy behind them.

Oh it would be so right but as you said "spineless kiwis"

What good congregating en masse then going home meekly like the sheep that most NZers are.

Peaceful protest is a joke. It gives the politicos a group they can appease with carefully selected statements then when they disperse they can go about their previously planned way.

Violence achieves results. The greater the violence the greater the achievement.

**Katman** · 11th December 2009, 19:40

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Violence achieves results. The greater the violence the greater the achievement.

Bullshit.

Try - 'the deeper your grave'.

**Headbanger** · 11th December 2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Violence achieves results. The greater the violence the greater the achievement.

So, How did that work out for Uganda?

**Mr Merde** · 11th December 2009, 19:53

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