No roll over

**dpex** · 22nd December 2009, 19:36

I'll say it again, and if I have to, again and again. The ACC levy system is utterly iniquitous....For the grammatically challenged, such as Katman, 'Iniquitous' means, really fucking unfair.

Look at who don't pay a cent in direct ACC.

1. Beneficiaries of all types.
2. Children of all ages till they're employed.
3. Super annuitants.
4. Tourists.

Of the above group, unless they register a vehicle or buy petrol, they contribute nothing by way of a targeted levy toward ACC.

Now consider who does.

1. Employees. You know, folk who actually work to eat and drink.
2. All registered road-users.

THAT'S IT!!!

Now consider the nails.

1. The employee is nailed for ACC at a rate some grey person determined as risk. But it's only for work-related accidents.
2. So where do the bucks come from to cover said employee when he/she has an accident outside work hours? General taxes?

3. The registered road user has an accident, but away from his/her vehicle...like he/she gets trashed riding a bike... Where does that cover come from? General taxes?

So here we see well over fifty percent of the population who don't work (therefore they pay no ACC employer levies) yet this same group account for over 75% of all ACC claims.

Are you seeing the point yet?

The only fair way is to introduce a levy which is payable by all, despite the size of the payment, per each.

We drop all ACC targeted levies and put a 2.5% levy on GST.

That way everybody pays a bit, while employees, the goddamned engine room of the country, who own at least one vehicle save upwards of $1300 a year!

What will they do with that money?

Spend it!

And one-ninth of what they spend is?

Well done. Correct. GST. 2.5% of which fills the coffers of ACC.

Suddenly our economy has a million employees with an extra $1300 to spend.

Do you think that might relieve the so-called recession? 1300-million, back in the economy?

It is this for which we must fight. A uniform payment of ACC by EVERYBODY.

Ergo, via a slight increase in GST.

If you can come up with a fairer method then feel free to allow your design to become public, here, on KB.

**AD345** · 22nd December 2009, 19:39

You're still here?

**vindy500** · 22nd December 2009, 19:40

yeah children should pay the same as rich businessmen

**James Deuce** · 22nd December 2009, 19:44

Rich business people pay? If they are, they're not doing Capitalism right.

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd December 2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by dpex

Now consider who does.

1. Employees. You know, folk who actually work to eat and drink.
2. All registered road-users.

THAT'S IT!!!

Now consider the nails.

1. The employee is nailed for ACC at a rate some grey person determined as risk. But it's only for work-related accidents.
2. So where do the bucks come from to cover said employee when he/she has an accident outside work hours? General taxes?

3. The registered road user has an accident, but away from his/her vehicle...like he/she gets trashed riding a bike... Where does that cover come from? General taxes?

Not quite right.

1. EmployER pays risk targeted levy for each employee, for work-related accidents.
2. EmployEE pays a flat rate on earnings, no matter what occupation, for non-work related accidents.
3. Registration/s on vehicles for vehicle accidents.
4. Petrol levy tops up above.

**taff1954** · 22nd December 2009, 20:16

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Not quite right.

1. EmployER pays risk targeted levy for each employee, for work-related accidents.
2. EmployEE pays a flat rate on earnings, no matter what occupation, for non-work related accidents.
3. Registration/s on vehicles for vehicle accidents.
4. Petrol levy tops up above.

Plus the Non-Earners account, funded by the government from taxation sources.

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd December 2009, 20:25

Doh! Of course...:slap:

**Katman** · 22nd December 2009, 21:06

Originally Posted by dpex

For the grammatically challenged, such as Katman, 'Iniquitous' means, really fucking unfair.

Where's the smilie for :cocksucker:?

**Tank** · 22nd December 2009, 21:09

Originally Posted by dpex

.....

So dpex - how did your big protest of blocking westfields turn out? Anything happen at all?

**Ronin** · 22nd December 2009, 21:11

Originally Posted by Tank

So dpex - how did your big protest of blocking westfields turn out? Anything happen at all?

Mwahahahahahahahahahaha

**98tls** · 22nd December 2009, 21:12

Not bad,though many have came up with the same answer for awhile now.That aside after going on a poker run a few weeks back i fully understand why motorcyclists are being targeted and have some empathy from Joe Public.

**Oakie** · 22nd December 2009, 21:23

Originally Posted by dpex

Look at who don't pay a cent in direct ACC.

1. Beneficiaries of all types.
2. Children of all ages till they're employed.
3. Super annuitants.
4. Tourists.

Of the above group, unless they register a vehicle or buy petrol, they contribute nothing by way of a targeted levy toward ACC.

Actually, no. Beneficiaries and Superannuitants do pay ACC levies. Their benefits are taxable and part of the PAYE is the Employee Levy at the same rate that you and I pay. Children don't pay but then again they won't be getting any earnings related compensation either.
Tourists? Yeah I guess you could charge a levy as the enter .. similar to a departure tax.