John vs dog

[StoneChucker]

That's seriously the worst attempt at justification I've ever heard.

Well, I'm not very smart so that doesn't surprise me.

I don't care what they don't eat in India. They are by far not the majority.

[justsomeguy]

Uncivilised? Barbaric? 1/9th??

That's seriously the worst attempt at justification I've ever heard.

You know in India, they feel the same way about people who eat cows.

/stir and simmer on low for 45 minutes.

One of the Indian God's called Krishna came from a dairy farming community and the cow was his symbolic animal....... so people out of respect to him also respect cows as a holy animal..... they do not worship cows, but as a form of penance/sacrifice refrain from using them as a source of food and only use them to obtain milk.

That's the official line.

And in the hindu religion. You are allowed to kill any animal you like as long as it is for the purpose of food. Killing for pleasure, trophies is considered a serious sin.

[justsomeguy]

Well, I'm not very smart so that doesn't surprise me.

I don't care what they don't eat in India. They are by far not the majority.

Nope I'm sure you bubba's are the majority in Wellington.

[Patch]

Me personally I can't stand these f**kers who let their mutts run free. We've got a couple of free range foxies that roam our street, they run up and down my fenceline annoying my two which gets on my wick.

I remember when working on the farm (when I was a youngun) no dog ran free. It was either working or detained in an appropiate manner. Reason being if a dog was seen running across someone's land bye bye dog.
Hard I know, but that is life.

As for dear ole John, may he rest and heal in time, change those bulbs, and inform insurance company of dog details - let them chase owner. Thats why we have insurance - peace of mind.

Rest up John you'll need it.

I know it sucks but at the end of the day you'll ride again. Just be glad it wasn't some wanker leaving Sanson pub in his derg'd, unwof'd Valient Charger at midnight with no headlights, cause he's got eyes like a possum.

[Sutage]

After seeing those two helmet pictures, I hope anyone whos wearing a half-face helmet seriously considers a full face helmet. Also not lecturing, but if you had been wearing knee protection, do you think your knees would of get as fucked? Gear is so important !!

[James Deuce]

. They don't look to us to be shot in the head with a .22 on a farm, just because they act like dogs act.

Let me fucken tell you, don't anyone shoot a dog while I'm with you (barring a humane killing like Spud was talking about), I honestly don't think I could control myself

Ahhh bullshit. A working dog is not a pet. If it is let or left loose it will in all probability end up squashed under a milk tanker or a tractor. Worse case scenario they become stock worriers, in which case the owner faces a fine.

The only farmer I know who doesn't restrain his working dogs wastes a lot of money replacing them every 3 or 4 years, because my mother-in-law keeps running them over. Not deliberately mind. They dash out at her car from cover at the side of the road.

Her Staffie cross PET on the other hand is a pampered house living animal, that gets treated as you would expect a well-loved house pet to be treated. A working dog gets the maintenance and training it needs to perform its job. As soon as it is a liability it is replaced.

[John]

Yup, some very good points made here.

I worked on a farm most of our life, and no the dog isnt a pet, it is in aspects but becuase they dont get much human contact they cant really be called a pet, but farm dogs are our responsibility its very important that you take care of your animals on a farm - the reason that farm dogs dont get much human contact is because then it becomes worthless as a farm animal (as it gets to playfull and inefficent) that is why they are normaly caged up some where.

As for dogs in a residential zone, I'm still against it - YOU NEED A LARGE GARDEN for the dog to be secured and safe in! this is the owners responsibilty and upon registration of the dog they are bound by law to do so.

As for my pitty story, well I'm pretty screwed I cant move very well at all and have being stuck at home after I got back from hospitial this morning after the frantic ambulance run (that was so cool ). As I said before my crank has filled with petrol so my engine is most probably rooted, I hadto act as fast as I could when I got back and managed (after 3 hours mind you) to take the tank off, normally a task that takes 2minutes, by the time I had done that it was to late the engine has filled up with fuel so bye bye

I called the vet, they have not found the owner but it seems asthough the dog is alive I also called the police so they have it on record if I have to take it to court I'm going to make sure the owner if we find him/she/it will never be allowed a dog again, I have to get down to the cop shop on monday to fill in the report that will be an interesting task.

I will also call the insurance company on monday and tell them, but the sadest thing is the fact that the bike is still being payed for I have payed about 2k of the worth of the bike, so I'm relativly screwed if its a writeoff thats why I need to chase it up.

As for the topic, its actually really interesting - some good points being made, other than one person who is making himself look like a dork in my eyes, trying to stir the mix up (not you jaz think his name starts with ghost....

sutage: yes I would have being fine in full gear, most people would have being fine in levis, but I screwed my knees up in hockey and rugby then all the crashes I've had

Rubber side down!

Actually when you think about it, that was a mean stoppie - wish someone recorded it

[SPORK]

Well, I hate to think that this could of all been avoided if you hadn't disrespected wheel spokes

[Gazzar]

Hi John sorry to hear about the crash but glad your OK. I hope you can fix up the bike and get back on it soon.

[SuperDave]

Sorry to hear about this man, bad fucken luck but good to hear that you arn't too seriously hurt nor the dog. Hope you get well and the bike back on the road soon.

I almost hit a dog today myself, locked the rear, managed to stop about 2 metres short of it, so glad I saw it in time. It shouldn't have been in the road, I noticed its leash, the owner must have been the careless lady walking a few metres up the road Thing is, I was not speeding and was going the posted speed limit.

[John]

Sorry to hear about this man, bad fucken luck but good to hear that you arn't too seriously hurt nor the dog. Hope you get well and the bike back on the road soon.

I almost hit a dog today myself, locked the rear, managed to stop about 2 metres short of it, so glad I saw it in time. It shouldn't have been in the road, I noticed its leash, the owner must have been the careless lady walking a few metres up the road Thing is, I was not speeding and was going the posted speed limit.

Bloody oth! what the hell is going on all these crashes and close misses are getting abit more common, must be winter blues comming on?

[Ghost Lemur]

As for the topic, its actually really interesting - some good points being made, other than one person who is making himself look like a dork in my eyes, trying to stir the mix up (not you jaz think his name starts with ghost....

Alright I'll bite.

I stand by everything I've said. It may be going against the grain of this thread, but so be it. But I will expand so as to remove any confusion.

I'm glad to hear the dog has survived. Have you or the vet reported the accident to the SPCA? As far as I know they have the ability to prosecute a neglectful owner. And an owner who lets their dog run free and therefore get hit would certainly fall under neglectful in my book.

Hope you're taking care of those knees. Have you thought of getting specialised protection for them to minimise the risk to them? Sounds like they could give you a shit load of trouble later in life if much more damage is done to them.

As for the two topics that I talked on. I still haven't heard you say what you could have done to avoid the accident. It's not about fault, I wasn't there I have no idea how it went down. What it is about is becoming a better rider. Whether it be oil or gravel on a corner or wild life, there are always ways to have avoided or minimised it. One of the things I've always liked about this forum we have is the ability to learn from others mistakes. When TS went down the road on the RGV due to a seized motor, it was said that the action to take in that situation was to clutch in and coast to the side of the road. Now personally that's not something I would have known (without first hand experience first) had it not been for what happened to TS and his willingness to share it with us.

Willingness of bikers to acknowledge they don't know it all, and that there is always more to know and new skills to gain, things to improve on, is a good thing.

On the topic of meat, I was illustrating that it is a cultural issue not a right and wrong thing. I do have little time for people who aren't willing to acknowledge what is on the end of their fork and where it came from. Taking a creatures life is taking a creatures life. I eat meat, and have no problem with acknowledging that an animal was slaughted for it. Even done it myself a couple of times. And yes in the right circumstances (ie starving with very little options) I'd eat a dog, wouldn't feel good about it but for survival I'd do it. The reason I'd feel bad though is due to the culture and enviroment I grew up in. Doesn't mean that another culture is wrong. Just different. Isn't that the great thing about this world. Diversity. For the record I had a dog as a kid and loved it to bits til we had to move. Don't have any animals anymore, got kids instead.

What's the deal with your insurance? Why would you not be able to get another? Surely you it should only work out to be the excess by which your out? It might be worth talking to the loan company and seeing if they're willing to roll the loan over on to another bike. Ie the insurance pay out gets you an new bike (probably with the money still going through the loan company) and then you reget your loan and get another bike.

Obviously you have more mechanic knowledge than me (not hard), but why can't the engine just be stripped down and cleaned? Wouldn't that get all the fuel out?

[Kickaha]

As for my pitty story, well I'm pretty screwed I cant move very well at all and have being stuck at home after I got back from hospitial this morning after the frantic ambulance run (that was so cool ). As I said before my crank has filled with petrol so my engine is most probably rooted, I hadto act as fast as I could when I got back and managed (after 3 hours mind you) to take the tank off, normally a task that takes 2minutes, by the time I had done that it was to late the engine has filled up with fuel so bye bye
:

unless you've tried running it with the engine full of fuel i don't think there's any reason it should be rooted,drain it all out fresh oil and it should be ok,had it happen to my Ducati once and there was no ill effect

[Ghost Lemur]

Bloody oth! what the hell is going on all these crashes and close misses are getting abit more common, must be winter blues comming on?

Has anyone looked into the statistics for the year so far? Wouldn't like to see them myself, too many down.

Would be interesting to know whether it's actually more happening or just that there's more of us here.

Seems to be a shocker of a month that's for sure.

[SPORK]

Maybe, here might be a good idea for a feature, KB could have a "Bin Log" where you can update where, when and how you've binned! That way we could see where not to go, or who to feel sorry for?