John vs dog

[Mr Skid]

Has anyone looked into the statistics for the year so far? Wouldn't like to see them myself, too many down.

Would be interesting to know whether it's actually more happening or just that there's more of us here.

Seems to be a shocker of a month that's for sure.

Every now and then there is a spate of crashes on KB.

People pontificate about the causes, discuss ritual sacrifice to appease the biker gods, then go about their lives after the threads grow cold..

[John]

Just for ghost, Well I'm not quiet sure about how anyone could have avoided it, it came from the side of the road and sprinted out - the only way I could have avoided it was if I wasnt out that night, but then the dog would have being hit by a car, and obviously killed - So I think the dog got abit lucky in the situation.

As for the engine, well thats the sad thing - I never realised that the fuel switch was affected and It was sitting for about an hour before I decided to ride it home, hopefully not a huge amount got in by that time - but I was feeling abit of a engine resistance, and temperture getting rather high - but I think because it was only a short trip the engine might be ok, I empty most of the fuel out and will send it to the mechs for a quote, just incase I need to do an insurance claim, they will definatley write it off and I'm not keen on them doing that I'd preferr to keep it because I will lose alot of money in the incident, I will be happy if I get enough money to repair the swingarm and get the engine sorted and just enough to streetfighter it, will be cheaper for all involved.

But yes I always have the options of getting a new bike and getting a extension on the loan, But I would like to avoid doing so as its only a 250

Anyways this threads dieing so I will leave it at that, keep safe.

[StoneChucker]

Ahhh bullshit. A working dog is not a pet. If it is let or left loose it will in all probability end up squashed under a milk tanker or a tractor. Worse case scenario they become stock worriers, in which case the owner faces a fine.

The only farmer I know who doesn't restrain his working dogs wastes a lot of money replacing them every 3 or 4 years, because my mother-in-law keeps running them over. Not deliberately mind. They dash out at her car from cover at the side of the road.

Her Staffie cross PET on the other hand is a pampered house living animal, that gets treated as you would expect a well-loved house pet to be treated. A working dog gets the maintenance and training it needs to perform its job. As soon as it is a liability it is replaced.

Well, we obviously both feel strongly so lets just "agree to disagree" (even though I know you're wrong )

Any dog still grows attached to it's owner, regardless of use. It's a betrayal of its trust/loyalty to shoot it or have it put down (I guess the first option is cheaper ey?). I think I've discussed all I can on this, besides, thinking about shooting something that has unconditional loyalty is making me sick.

[James Deuce]

Well, we obviously both feel strongly so lets just "agree to disagree" (even though I know you're wrong )

Any dog still grows attached to it's owner, regardless of use. It's a betrayal of its trust/loyalty to shoot it or have it put down (I guess the first option is cheaper ey?). I think I've discussed all I can on this, besides, thinking about shooting something that has unconditional loyalty is making me sick.

You REALLY have the wrong idea about working dogs. They are not pets.

[StoneChucker]

You REALLY have the wrong idea about working dogs. They are not pets.

Ok, thanks for testiculating your point Jim

[James Deuce]

Ok, thanks for testiculating your point Jim

So you've worked on a farm then? You managed finances on one? You'd put fuel in a tractor that was unrepairable?

I don't think that dogs should be allowed as pets AT ALL. They serve absolutely NO purpose, especially in a city environment. Working dogs I get. Pet dogs I don't. Every time a toddler gets their face ripped off by a dog, and some dog loving nancy tries to blame the kid for teasing it I want to start pushing for legal methods to permanently ban dogs as pets.

[750Y]

far out! glad You're ok John. what a shit of a thing to happen huh.

[StoneChucker]

So you've worked on a farm then? You managed finances on one? You'd put fuel in a tractor that was unrepairable?

I don't think that dogs should be allowed as pets AT ALL. They serve absolutely NO purpose, especially in a city environment. Working dogs I get. Pet dogs I don't. Every time a toddler gets their face ripped off by a dog, and some dog loving nancy tries to blame the kid for teasing it I want to start pushing for legal methods to permanently ban dogs as pets.

Whew. Jim, firstly I just want to make sure you know I'm just having a friendly discussion here. Really. And, the testiculating post was a complete PT.

But, are you serious on that last post? FYI, the cases in the media of the toddlers getting bitten by dogs also say that the kids were unsupervised at the time AND/OR teasing the dog/poking it with a stick. What the hell do you expect... Parental supervision

Look, you seem REALLY opinionated on this topic, and so am I. I don't want to get too heated here, you're a nice guy and I don't want disagree too strongly/much.

[Sutage]

I agree if with StoneChucker, if something was poking me in the face or being a general ass to me i wouldnt be impressed either, obviously as a human i have the mind to not lash out, but can you expect a dog to say 'hm ok hes just a young kid', course they dont think that

and ya, most cases were dogs bite are because of that, very few dogs will just bite a person

oh another thing to remember is when a kid looks a dog in the face its eye to eye, and when someone looks you in the eye its generally done as a threat or to stand your ground, dogs prob think the same!

[jazbug5]

Plus, a child is physically lower down, and therefore psychologically the dog is more primed to attack it. So, it's never a good idea to allow the two to run around each other, quite apart from toddlers' natural inclination to stick their wee fingers where they shouldn't.
I had facial scars for several years growing up because I escaped from our house when I was about 18 months old and followed a cat too closely (and apparently tried to grab its tail); no-one blamed the cat, not even me after it had been explained to me.

[Biff]

Glad to hear you're pretty much ok John.

[StoneChucker]

Thanks Sutage and Jazbug for those replies. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the way I do. To me it seemed obvious, but I was starting to wonder...

Jaz, I didn't take you for the sort to be chasing.. um, nevermind

[Shawn]

Think you will find there are laws to do with dog control. I>E MUST BE IN A FENCED AREA.

I wouldnt have cared if it was another wild animal(i would have just stopped and put it to rest then made a grave for it), But I'd like to punish the bastards that let a dog go running down a main road IN a town.

At the moment my mood has gotten much worse, If you badmouth me - avoid me for life. just a warning.

Hey john you take care and fix your baby up…
And sometimes some ppl have weird opinion (that’s why we are all different), just ignore them…
P.S That helmet is the best I reckon…I got one…the most comfiest and safest helmet I have even had which is under $1500.00

Good luck dude
Shawn

[Suney]

Glad you're okay John! Hope all works well and hopefully you won't be put into furthur debt and finding the owner of the dog.
Anyways whats the deal with those xenon lights? They look kinda blue (cool) in the last pic

[James Deuce]

So it's OK to make excuses for an animal that has been retained as a pet well after it's useful ness to a hunter gather society has been outgrown? There are limited useful applications for dogs in modern society.

As for the parental supervision cracks from the people with no children - meh.

It is physically impossible to watch everything that a child is doing every second of the day.

Anybody who sticks up for what is basically a wolf that has been fecked with genetically by the lovely "owners", and "breeders" for 10,000 years, over a defenseless child is just not thinking things through properly.

I'm no longer opinionated. I am dead set against dogs as pets from this point on. The attitude that it is OK for dogs to attack children is sickening, and before you answer to say that that isn't what you meant, that is the subtext of every post supporting the poor widdle doggies.

The fact that an unrestrained dog, used for hunting, hurt John and trashed his bike seems to be OK too.

Weird.