Making excuses (pt II)

**Katman** · 13th December 2009, 19:30

Originally Posted by cowboyz

ok. being as we are asking random questions..

Whos fault is it when a bike is travelling round a 65k country road corner at 140k/hr and hits gravel midcorner and crashes?

Ummm, the tyres?

**bogan** · 13th December 2009, 19:31

Originally Posted by cowboyz

ok. being as we are asking random questions..

Whos fault is it when a bike is travelling round a 65k country road corner at 140k/hr and hits gravel midcorner and crashes?

approx 90% rider fault, 10% to whoever left the gravel there (assuming its not a gravel road)

**Pussy** · 13th December 2009, 19:33

Another way of looking at things....

If I hit a tree or a set of high tension lines in the course of my work, it's NOT the fault of the person who planted the tree, or the persons who erected the wires/pylons... it's MY bloody fault for not being aware/vigilant enough!
It's personal responsibility, FFS!

**T.W.R** · 13th December 2009, 19:35

Originally Posted by Donor

How so?

Giving a shit?

Being cruel to be kind? After all, the truth is the cruellest of all...

None so blind as those that will not see...

It's Skatmans self righteous arrogance of expressing his message inappropriately in places it isn't needed

Originally Posted by Katman

As is burying your head in the sand.

So is having your head buried up your ass

**bogan** · 13th December 2009, 19:36

Originally Posted by Pussy

Another way of looking at things....

If I hit a tree or a set of high tension lines in the course of my work, it's NOT the fault of the person who planted the tree, or the persons who erected the wires/pylons... it's MY bloody fault for not being aware/vigilant enough!
It's personal responsibility, FFS!

but if some numpty drops a rock off a bridge, leaves Z nails on the road, puts deisle down to do skids, who's fault is it?

I agree with you about the personal responsibility, but fault is a different thing

**James Deuce** · 13th December 2009, 19:37

Originally Posted by bogan

but if some numpty drops a rock off a bridge, leaves Z nails on the road, puts deisle down to do skids, who's fault is it?

I agree with you about the personal responsibility, but fault is a different thing

Mine for not seeing the twats on the bridge above, mine for not noticing the colour and texture change on the road, and mine for not seeing and smelling the diesel.

Mine.

**Foxzee** · 13th December 2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by cowboyz

you do realise that you are making yourself seem argumentative and just plain stupid. Im surprised Hitcher hasnt been past with a grammar check too.

In any case, I have to agree with Katman. In the theory anyhow. As far as the practicial side goes, I say.. Do what you want to do.

Ok so now I'm an argumentive retard that is stupid.......

What I'm drawing from this is Katman wants "rider awareness and safety" isn't that what we all want. I for one want's this but no one can tell me any constructive ways to make this a reality on the track and on the road without talking in circles and attacks on one another...I have a interest in what is going on here........

Hitcher anytime please bring on my personal spell and grammer check....

**cowboyz** · 13th December 2009, 19:39

Originally Posted by bogan

approx 90% rider fault, 10% to whoever left the gravel there (assuming its not a gravel road)

intreging.... what if the bike was going round a 65k corner at 140k and run into the back of a car that was doing 50k round the same corner? Going to put 10% of blame on the car for not going fast enough?

**Katman** · 13th December 2009, 19:42

Originally Posted by T.W.R

It's Skatmans self righteous arrogance of expressing his message inappropriately in places it isn't needed

Quite frankly, I think it's the very place (and time) that it's most needed.

When the pain is the rawest is when the most can be learnt from it.

Those who continue to venerate those who die on a motorcycle through that person's lack of common sense and forethought, cheapen the gift that Motorcycling has to offer us.

**bogan** · 13th December 2009, 19:44

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Mine for not seeing the twats on the bridge above, mine for not noticing the colour and texture change on the road, and mine for not seeing and smelling the diesel.

Mine.

hmmm, well we shall have to agree to disagree there

Originally Posted by cowboyz

intreging.... what if the bike was going round a 65k corner at 140k and run into the back of a car that was doing 50k round the same corner? Going to put 10% of blame on the car for not going fast enough?

nah, speed differential is big, but would still mean the biker would be able to see the car entering the corner, and thus should slow speed to avoid the collision

**Bren** · 13th December 2009, 19:50

Originally Posted by Katman

While we continue to blame environmental circumstances for our accidents we will continue to be seen as a joke by the powers that be and by the general public.

And what, cage drivers dont blame everything else...They seldom see themselves to blame...
An Accident though is just that...Accidental!!!

Originally Posted by Virago

I rest my case.

No suprises there...some people have got no idea of whats couth

Originally Posted by Katman

Personally, I'd rather see motorcyclists pulling their fucking heads in and riding to the conditions.

Guess what...most of us do...its that percentile factor that you cannot change...the 5% that are just plain dickheads...Take any section of society and you will see the same thing...a few dickheads giving others a bad rap!

Originally Posted by Foxzee

Hey guys and girls.....

As it has been said "accidents happen"...and some are just pure accidents..no fault, no blame, no stupid riding, no stupid other conditions that put us at risk.....

Too true, they do happen, and you will never totally stop them...chaos theory in progress

Originally Posted by Katman

Bullshit.

An individual's failure to factor in environmental circumstances is what is to blame.

Not everyone has a supercomputer in their head like you do....We cannot factor everything in, all we can do is ride to the best of our abilities out there, and anticipate what we can...

It must be nice knowing that you ride so perfectly you will never have an accident. I guess you dont need to wear leathers or a helmet???

**cowboyz** · 13th December 2009, 19:51

Originally Posted by Foxzee

Ok so now I'm an argumentive retard that is stupid.......

What I'm drawing from this is Katman wants "rider awareness and safety" isn't that what we all want. I for one want's this but no one can tell me any constructive ways to make this a reality on the track and on the road without talking in circles and attacks on one another...I have a interest in what is going on here........

Hitcher anytime please bring on my personal spell and grammer check....

to start with.. ignore the track. track riding teaches you how to ride on the track. nothing more, nothing less.
I worry when people say... I went to this trackday and learnt how my bike handles on this hairpin and I was going really good and. .. (whatever).
No consideration for the fact that the rider had 20 attempts at the same *cambered* corner on a track that is equivelent to a 5 lane road with no hazzards.
In the real world. Road riding is completely different. The corners are not setup for racing and you dont get to practice the same corners over and over again. Alot more attention to reading the road and hazzard identification would serve alot of riders well. That and banning the sale of Gixxers as they seem to be crashing alot.