Response from the AA

[p.dath]

Meeting opened at 6pm. Closed at 6:35. Definately a rubber stamp. Which makes them easy to roll.

I've got the procedure for having items added to the agenda. I was thinking about adding a constitutional change, but that requires a lot of votes.

I could also have added to the agenda that the AA adopts the same view towards motorcyclists as it does towards car users, and gives them their full support. I could also try something simpler such as "advocate against an increase separate motorcycle ACC levies" or the like. Doesn't require as many votes, and would effect a policy change from the top.

[rwh]

I wrote to the AA requesting the AGM minutes. The most important bit to be is at the beginning. It says there was 120 members present.

This means if we got 100 bikers present we would be able to significantly altering any voting. For example, we could ask counsellors standing for election there views, and simply not vote into power anyone who does not support our cause.

There is also a reasonably chance we could make constitutional changes, forcing the AA to support motorcyclists.

It doesn't mention whether any proxies were held by those present. Do you know if the rules allow for that?

Richard

[Squiggles]

How evil...

So when do they usually hold AGM's?

[p.dath]

It doesn't mention whether any proxies were held by those present. Do you know if the rules allow for that?

Richard

Yes, proxies are allowed.

[p.dath]

How evil...

So when do they usually hold AGM's?

End of February. Has to be advertised before hand.

[Nick from the nick]

Ok I know its not really going to make a difference but how many of use have private health cover (i do southen cross) and yes it covers me if i do bin the bike, oh yes and not only that i also have full cover on my insurance so that covers not only me but anyone or anything i might damage/hurt/kill if i do bin the bike. So just a simple question as i'm paying for all this cover else where will i be allowed discount on my share of this BS$77 figure if not sod it i'll cancel everything and rely on ACC. It could be worth asking the AA what their views are on private health cover and insurance as surely if you have both you'll not be needing ACC so why do i have to pay the levy

[jeffs]

Ok I know its not really going to make a difference but how many of use have private health cover (i do southen cross) and yes it covers me if i do bin the bike, oh yes and not only that i also have full cover on my insurance so that covers not only me but anyone or anything i might damage/hurt/kill if i do bin the bike. So just a simple question as i'm paying for all this cover else where will i be allowed discount on my share of this BS$77 figure if not sod it i'll cancel everything and rely on ACC. It could be worth asking the AA what their views are on private health cover and insurance as surely if you have both you'll not be needing ACC so why do i have to pay the levy

Sucks doesn't it

ACC is like a big get out of jail free card for other insurance companies collecting your money.

End of February. Has to be advertised before hand.

I for one would like yo be informed of the date of the AGM ( when you know it ). I have cancelled my insurance with the AA, but have still kept my membership so I can heckal at the AGM

[p.dath]

Ok I know its not really going to make a difference but how many of use have private health cover (i do southen cross) and yes it covers me if i do bin the bike, oh yes and not only that i also have full cover on my insurance so that covers not only me but anyone or anything i might damage/hurt/kill if i do bin the bike. So just a simple question as i'm paying for all this cover else where will i be allowed discount on my share of this BS$77 figure if not sod it i'll cancel everything and rely on ACC. It could be worth asking the AA what their views are on private health cover and insurance as surely if you have both you'll not be needing ACC so why do i have to pay the levy

No medical insurance in NZ covers you for the ACC "portion" of the accident. They only pay for what ACC doesn't. If ACC pays for the whole lot, they pay you nothing.

The difference with private cover is that instead of waiting 12 months to get an operation to correct an issue, you can usually go to a private hospital and get it down straight away.

[White trash]

Mr Dath, much as I think you're a complete numpty for previous comments you've made on other issues, I've gotta say you've certainly got the bull by the horns on this one.

Good on ya man, keep it up. Fricken fantastic work sir.

[FLUB]

I just love a cunning plan My AA membership is current and if your plan goes ahead you can count on my presence and my vote at the AGM. Well done.

[p.dath]

For those that have been following this thread, the two most senior policy advisors for the AA are flying from Wellington to Auckland to meet with me next Thursday (21/1/2010). These were the actual people that decided for the AA to support increasing motorcycle ACC levies.

I'm keenly looking forward to meeting with them. I don't know how open they are, but hopefully I'll at least manage to sow some seeds of doubt in their mind about their blatant and total trust in what ACC tell them. I'm hoping to turn their viewpoint from being a car versus bike issue, to being a motorist versus ACC issue. I'm hoping to make then supportive of all motorists.
I know I'm probably a dreamer - but if no one actually talks to them and asks questions of them then there is no chance of change.

I'm guessing they probably haven't met with too many actual motorcycle members face to face.

I have also got a meeting with the Auckland District Area Manager the same day. I'm going to see his opinion on motorcyclists and ACC first. I'm expecting a negative reaction. Then I'm planning on discussing the mechanics of the upcoming elections, and putting forward that I may actively vote and seek proxies of other motorcycle riders to vote against any councillor standing for election who is not supportive of all motorists.
The district councils have input into the overall board, so my shaping who stands at the grass roots I'm hoping we might be able to "shape" the AA.

I'm also still seriously considering putting forward a motion at the AGM that the AA actively support motorcyclists and other motorists in a positive and supportive manner when developing policy, and that the board take sufficient steps to ensure this outcome.
I would need about 100 motorcyclist AA members (or their proxies) to come along to the AGM to be confident of voting in this motion.

Once again, probably dreaming. But even if it just gives them a hell of a fright (an uprising within the membership) I can't see anything bad happening.

[bogan]

good on ya, hope next thurs goes well. With regard to the proxies, what the procedure for giving a proxy? as I have some family who are AA (im not) who may like to give a proxy vote for bikers.

[mister.koz]

Nice one dude, attacking it like a rottie with a bone.

I wonder how all of these high people in high places will feel when they realise that the statistics and policy jargon they have been parroting is wrong...

Perhaps that's an angle "How do you feel about putting your hand of your heart and parroting false information to the country?"

I am an aa member and i have insurance with them, i am in hams and would like to support if i can.

[p.dath]

The best approach, if the numbers are there , is to move a motion of no confidence in the chair of the meeting, immediately it opens.

Forgive my ignorance. What would the effect be if such a motion was carried?

[jeffs]

For those that have been following this thread, the two most senior policy advisors for the AA are flying from Wellington to Auckland to meet with me next Thursday (21/1/2010). These were the actual people that decided for the AA to support increasing motorcycle ACC levies.
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In you meeting will you be discussing the fact that the UK AA advicate for bikers, and their insurance arm recognise that the car on bike rate is approx 80% ( more cars in the uk).

Quote: Simon Douglas, director of AA Insurance, says: "Tragically, 80% of all motorcycle accidents are the fault of road users other than the motor cyclist. For car and commercial vehicle drivers it's very easy to miss seeing an approaching motorbike, especially in congested areas."

I for one have moved my insurance away from AA, and at the time of moving it advised that their stance on bikes was the reason.

Funny though, the new insurance company I am with use the AA for breakdown recovery as part of my insurance. LOL