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    Quote Originally Posted by p.dath View Post
    I had my meeting this morning with the senior policy analyst and the general manager of motoring affairs this morning. I have to say I entered the meeting expecting that I would achieve nothing. I thought the AA would be firmly entrenched in their position.

    I'm happy to say I walked away with a positive attitude, as I feel I have actually given them pause for thought, and they indicated they were going to working on some of the issues I have raised.

    I started the meeting by saying I was not a representative of the motorcycling community, but that the view I hold is also held by a lot of others in the motorcycling community. I told them that the motorcycling community was disappointed with the response from the AA, and felt the policy choices by the AA had acted against the motorcycling community.

    The meeting lasted for an hour, and that was pretty much solid talking by both parties. I'll try and summarise the major bits. So much was talked about. They bought up lots of numbers, but luckily I had studied up the prior two nights on a lot of the statistics released by ACC. I was able to counter a lot of the numbers mentioned, or at least cast doubt on them. Weather they believed me or not, by the end of the meeting I think I gave them considerable pause for thought on information that has been released by ACC.

    I spoke for sometime on the Woodhouse report, and the community values. I think I have almost completely turned them on the issue of pre-funding. They told me they were meeting with Nick Smith (ACC minister) tomorrow, and would talk to him about the continued need for pre-funding. They said they had invited someone from Ulysses to the meeting, and would like to invite another motorycycle related group along, but weren't sure who to approach. So if someone from BRONZ is interested in attending ministerial meetings in Wellington along with the AA and Ulyses, put your hand up and I'll put you in contact with the right people.
    Now your probably thinking they are just going to mention this to the minister. I'm pretty confident they are going to take it further, and I think there is a very good chance this will become a formal policy of the AA (it has to go before the national board before this can happen). Expect to see some press on this issue during 2010.

    I spoke to them about how I felt there the costs of ACC should be shared equally by all. I said the risk assessment system should be dropped. Anything that looks like insurance should be gotten rid of. They said that the risk assessment is enshrined in law now, and that it would be difficult to change. They were reluctant on this one, but said if they could get pre-funding dropped, then they would take another look at this one.
    I did point out that if pre-funding was dropped then all motorists could have an ACC cut immediately.

    We spoke a lot about taxes, enforcement, education. I said I personally opposed solutions where the Government tried to tax a problem out of existence (tickets, fees, etc). They already have the same view. I said I was very much in favour of education to solve issues instead. They told me they held the same view, and had already been working on the issue with the Government. They are pushing the Government to offer subsidised advanced rider/driver training courses. I told them with regard to rider training, that it is unlikely that a commercial operator could make money from it, and hence I didn't think we would get many people entering the market. I suggested to them that perhaps the AA (being a non-profit group) could consider offering nation wide rider training. They didn't say no, but weren't keen on it, but are going to take it under advisement. I say put your money where your mouth is if your preaching it ... haha.


    I spoke to them about the AGM in March, and asked them how they feel if I made some motions that forced the AA to adopt policies, such as a return to the Woodhouse principles. He didn't look so happy about this idea, but said if such a motion was made and carried by the members at the AGM then they would abide by it.

    He said three of the AA districts already want a return to the Woodhouse principles. If a few more districts come on board then they would probably adopt the policy (which also means all motorists paying the same equal share of ACC).

    I spoke about collection of ACC levies. The AA is of the opinion that the fees should be mostly levied against Petrol, and a tiny bit against the rego. I'm happy with that.

    I told them I would be in further contact to ask about their progress on the issues I have mentioned.


    So much was talked about. If more comes back to my memory I'll make some other posts. I think that was all the major bits.
    p.dath, you are earning my respect (whatever that may be worth) with the work that you are doing on our behalf with the AA and with very good feedback as well!

    AA spokesman "Mike Noone" appears to me to be a one man anti motorcycle zealot and is the driver behind most of the attitudes expressed by AA.

    Is this guy Noone really speaking for the AA?

    Or has he just been using AA to advance his own agenda's? Perhaps it a question you could put to them!

    Maybe this guy Noone needs some media focus to flush out that his "personal" agendas are actually harming the AA as an organisation!

    Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    AA spokesman "Mike Noone" appears to me to be a one man anti motorcycle zealot and is the driver behind most of the attitudes expressed by AA.

    Is this guy Noone really speaking for the AA?
    Basically the national board sets the policy for the AA, and they get their feedback from the district boards. Three district boards have already requested a return to the original Woodhouse principles. If more people attend the district meetings and ask their boards to also support it, then all of a sudden the AA will adopt that policy.
    Mike and Mark then turn that into policy and try and make it happen. After meeting with the two of them I would not describe them as anti-motorcycle. I would say that perhaps they based a lot of decisions on info they got from ACC (and ACC painted a terrifying picture - and they had no reason to doubt ACC), and now that I have met with them they are now taking a step back, taking a look at the big picture, and starting to ask questions.

    Hence they are now commissioning their own research into the pre-funding ACC issue (which has a direct result on motorcycle fees). Which means rather than listening to ACC they will now be actually looking into the issue themselves.

    So it may not happen overnight, but I have a positive feeling something will happen. I am in full support of them conducting their own independent research into the issue. I suspect that the result will be a shift in policy from the AA. I would also be good to have numbers from someone else about the pre-funding decision to use.

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    P.dath You Rock. I am so glad we have someone of your magnitude working for us in this. I am a 20+ year member of AA and have used their services for both Car and Bike problems and been happy with the service. I will remain a member and if required provide you my proxy vote to hit one of these meetings with the artillery you need. Go man GO

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    p.dath, remind us all when that meeting is, up here, so those of us who are both members of AA and bike riders can organise ourselves and go to it with you.Long may the dialogue continue with the AA members you have already spoken with.
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    The Auckland District meeting is on the 22nd of February 2009 at 5:15pm at the AA Centre on 419 Great South Road, Penrose.

    I don't intend to make any motions at this meeting, but in the general business section I want to raise the issue of opposing ACC pre-funding. There are 17 districts in the AA, and 3 currently support a return to the Woodhouse principles. I don't know if the Auckland region is one of them, but I intend to ask them.

    Also two new councillors will be elected. At this stage, I am waiting to see if more than 2 people will stand for those positions. If so, I intend on asking them their positions. I only intend to vote for those supportive of a return to the Woodhouse principles.


    The main AGM is in March (date unknown to me yet). After much deliberation I am current thinking I will not raise a motion, but will be attending. I was originally going to raise a motion to force a change in the AA policy - however after my meeting with the policy unit, they are now starting a research project into pre-funding. I fully expect that the research will find that their is no benefit to pre-funding, and that it should be abandoned.

    I would prefer the AA came to this conclusion independently. If I make them adopt the policy then perhaps the research wont proceed.

    I have seen no one perform a comprehensive investigation into ACC pre-funding (as in the effect over 50 years). It will make a very strong case if someone like the AA approach the Government with facts and numbers in hand - facts and numbers that even ACC don't have. The other thing is that will will provide some initial numbers by someone other than ACC - who few in our community trust.

    The AA have also sent me a "progress" update, saying they have now met with National, Labour and the minister for ACC (Nick) and asked them their policies about this, and told them they would like a debate opened up as to weather NZ should continue with pre-funding.
    The AA are being cautious, and still not openly supportive of a return to the Woodhouse principles, but I find the new research they say they are doing plus the fact they are openly telling people in positions of power they want the issue opened up to debate to be very encouraging.
    Last edited by p.dath; 5th February 2010 at 11:12. Reason: Corrected date. Said it was the 23rd, when it should be the 22nd.

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    The Auckland District meeting is on the 23rd of February 2009 at 5:15pm at the AA Centre on 419 Great South Road, Penrose.


    Are all AA members able to attend this meeting if they wish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyloo View Post
    The Auckland District meeting is on the 23rd of February 2009 at 5:15pm at the AA Centre on 419 Great South Road, Penrose.


    Are all AA members able to attend this meeting if they wish?
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    Anyone who is a personal member of the Auckland district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p.dath View Post
    The Auckland District meeting is on the 23rd of February 2009 at 5:15pm at the AA Centre on 419 Great South Road, Penrose.
    CORRECTION CORRECTION CORRECTION

    The meeting is on the Monday the 22nd of February, not the 23rd.
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    Great. I'll be there then.
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    Thanks for this work Phil
    I would attend If i was still a memeber
    Just to add my 2 cents
    Prefunding is not a big issue to me but returning to original princeples is
    Dont want to start a big debate in this thread just thought id mention it
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    http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/roa...motorists.aspx

    XXXXXXXXXXXXX QUOTE FROM THE AA's Own website XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    And its will posted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what has f***G changed ? ?????????????


    A higher and fairer ACC levy for motorcyclists

    The AA is opposed to the continuing cross-subsidisation of motorcycle/moped injuries by other vehicle owners.

    Motorcyclists should pay a higher ACC levy that is closer to the actual amount of injury compensation they claim each year. Currently around 80 percent of the cost of motorcycle/moped injuries is funded by motorists and owners of other vehicles. More than 40 percent of motorbike crashes are single vehicle, and the costs for these should be fully covered by motorcyclists.
    Please Mr ACC, my 1300cc bike was passed by a 400cc bike on a track day, can I have my fees reduced ?

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    Are you saying you will not raise the issue of the AA's public stance on lobbying for the increase of motorbike levies ? And the only question you will raise in the general principle of returning to the woodhouse principles ?

    If this is the case, irrespective of any meetings you have has with the AA, I believe it is naive that given that they have not publicly retracted their stance, they would do so without any pressure applied.

    If I can make it to the meeting I will, but I stand for the fact as an AA member I expect to have them protect me and my rights as a fee paying biker. Divide and condor is how we ended up being singled out in the first place, and this is what the AA did.

    http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/roa...motorists.aspx

    XXXXXXXXXXXXX QUOTE FROM THE AA's Own website XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    And its will posted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what has f***G changed ? ?????????????


    A higher and fairer ACC levy for motorcyclists

    The AA is opposed to the continuing cross-subsidisation of motorcycle/moped injuries by other vehicle owners.

    Motorcyclists should pay a higher ACC levy that is closer to the actual amount of injury compensation they claim each year. Currently around 80 percent of the cost of motorcycle/moped injuries is funded by motorists and owners of other vehicles. More than 40 percent of motorbike crashes are single vehicle, and the costs for these should be fully covered by motorcyclists.


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    The above Newzealand AA statement is in complete contradiction to the AA UK who understand that a lot of bikes get hit by cars.

    Quote.
    "Simon Douglas, director of AA Insurance, says: "Tragically, 80% of all
    motorcycle accidents are the fault of road users other than the motor
    cyclist. For car and commercial vehicle drivers it's very easy to miss
    seeing an approaching motorbike, especially in congested areas."
    http://www.theaa.com/insurance/news/...torbikers.html.
    Please Mr ACC, my 1300cc bike was passed by a 400cc bike on a track day, can I have my fees reduced ?

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    Double post, I must still be angry with the AA
    Please Mr ACC, my 1300cc bike was passed by a 400cc bike on a track day, can I have my fees reduced ?

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    You must be.
    p,dath has meet with some AA officials, they have indicated their willingnes to talk to him as a representative of motorcyclists (I'm guessing here, as a KB member, more so than a single rider) They have spoken at length with him already and have notified him of the progress they have made in looking into the things they discussed.
    From what p.dath has told us so far, there does seem to be some positive things coming orm the initial discussions.
    One step at a time and we may well see real change, for the moment though the current AA policy makers/press releasers will continue to make dicks of themselves.
    Frustration makes us do lots of silly things, be frustrated with the AA, but please, let Phil keep at these guys and Do attend the Auckland AA AGM and support him and us there in person.
    To everyone else who I'm sure are following this thread with interest, if you are not an AA Member, go sign up, a large physical presence of obviously motorcycle riders at their AGM will demonstrate to them that we mean business and we are prepared to come into their space and create change.
    Keep up the good work p.dath.
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