Thank you Slippery Nick, please can we have some more?

[Pedrostt500]

I'm certainly open to doing that and would do it if I believed that it was the best solution. Do you have a response to the comments I made a post or two ago? I believe they are valid criticisms of the status quo and would be interested in yuor response as you seem to be reasonable and intelligent.

I belive that Ix exsplained himself well, I joined BRONZ Wellington, because I thought it prudent to do so, there are other issues in the future that will affect Motorcycling in NZ, other than ACC.
At $20 for an anual membership fee, I figured it hardly breaks the bank, at what I spend for sunday brunch and a coffee.
Yes if some one chose to do so they could set up their own group, but the cost and effort, may make this a little difficult to do so, though power to any body who does give it a go.
I am sure the other regional branches of BRONZ, will give you plenty of support to help get BRONZ Cristchurch off the ground, if you choose to do so, the magic number is 10 paid up members, failing this setting up as a satilite group of one of the other BRONZ branches is a possibility.

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I belive that Ix exsplained himself well, I joined BRONZ Wellington, because I thought it prudent to do so, there are other issues in the future that will affect Motorcycling in NZ, other than ACC.
At $20 for an anual membership fee, I figured it hardly breaks the bank, at what I spend for sunday brunch and a coffee.
Yes if some one chose to do so they could set up their own group, but the cost and effort, may make this a little difficult to do so, though power to any body who does give it a go.
I am sure the other regional branches of BRONZ, will give you plenty of support to help get BRONZ Cristchurch off the ground, if you choose to do so, the magic number is 10 paid up members, failing this setting up as a satilite group of one of the other BRONZ branches is a possibility.

I'm not sure Ix did answer my questions, and it may even be that he confirmed my concerns that BRONZ are unlikely to be able to respond to current and future issues facing motorcycling. Having said that, I will be joining BRONZ and will approach them with what I see as being the issues concerned.

But getting back to the thread topic, which was never intended to be an attack upon or even a criticism of BRONZ. We are being told what's good for us and having the solution to motorcycle safety issues imposed upon us by non-motorcyclists. Is that acceptable?

[Phreak]

IMO there was a guy who had an idea about what to do with Parliament when they pushed too far...

What was his name...?


...Guy Fawkes!

P.C.-ness has gone way too far on this one...

But, in the event that no-one steps to the plate with the above mentioned idea, I think we should support BRONZ and push back as hard as we can, because obviously those in power down in Wellington don't have a clue how this affects us.

[Pedrostt500]

I'm not sure Ix did answer my questions, and it may even be that he confirmed my concerns that BRONZ are unlikely to be able to respond to current and future issues facing motorcycling. Having said that, I will be joining BRONZ and will approach them with what I see as being the issues concerned.

But getting back to the thread topic, which was never intended to be an attack upon or even a criticism of BRONZ. We are being told what's good for us and having the solution to motorcycle safety issues imposed upon us by non-motorcyclists. Is that acceptable?

I agree with you that having non riding & unsympathetic beauracrats dictating to us what safe riding is, is a recipe for failure.
Keep in mind it is us the motorcycling Comunity that has allowed BRONZ to become the shadow of its former self, it is up to the motorcycling Comunity to bring BRONZ back up to strength, and into the here and now.
To all those who diss BRONZ, if you want to see changes in BRONZ then join up and change BRONZ from with in.

[caseye]

James D, it's obvious that BRONZ in it's past life and as it was then, didn't spin your wheels.
While it may STILL not be perfect, I see it as the vehicle that can best represent those of us who ride and are passionate about our bikes and our "rights" as ordinary citizens who ride motorcycles.
The time is upon us all, we either sit still and get Shafted by Nicks Myth and his cronies or we fight back.
To fight back as a bunch of ordianry motorcyclists who have a voice, albiet one that may at times be fractutred is infinitely better than pushing shiet up hill with a rake.
I'd say that we don't have the luxury of making our representative body perfect before commissioning it into the Political fray.
Spend the twenty bucks, get as many of your friends and family to do the same.
Act now, shoot first, ask questions later, the fight came to us we didn't ask for it.But with the help of some very special people we fought back and we bit the hand that tried to chain us.
Your opinions, ideas and thoughts are well known and respected around these parts, if you could be convinced to part with your twenty bucks and be seen to stand up and be counted as someone willing to let BRONZ as it is now, do their best for you and us, it would go along way to making others do the same.
The reality is,that more than anything else we need members country wide, the more we have, the better the messages get out to the generl public.
Naturally and of course the more members that we ( BRONZ, yes, I and my wife are both members now/again) have the more likely it is that the Poliies will take more notice.
Ultimately that is the aim.
Make the Pollies aware that messing with ACC or anything else that affects us as a voting group (I' was told recently that there are in fact over 500,000 motorcycle licence holders in NZ) will simply result in them being bundled out of office if they dare to continue to ignore our representatives.
The above is my simple and honest opinion.

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James D, it's obvious that BRONZ in it's past life and as it was then, didn't spin your wheels.
While it may STILL not be perfect, I see it as the vehicle that can best represent those of us who ride and are passionate about our bikes and our "rights" as ordinary citizens who ride motorcycles.
The time is upon us all, we either sit still and get Shafted by Nicks Myth and his cronies or we fight back....

The reality is,that more than anything else we need members country wide, the more we have, the better the messages get out to the generl public.
Naturally and of course the more members that we ( BRONZ, yes, I and my wife are both members now/again) have the more likely it is that the Poliies will take more notice.

I agree, the time is upon us, and we need to take action, and I agree with the sentiment that reinventing the wheel is not the best move. We need a professionally run pressure group with skills in law, public relations, marketing lobbying and media to act for us, or we will find ourselves taking our medicine, but does BRONZ have the resources we need? I've already approached BRONZ (admittedly a while ago) offering my services as a marketing and PR professional and sometime lobbyist and fundraiser. The response I got was disinterest, so I promptly forgot them until recently. I'm happy to offer my skills again, but if they aren't interested and I continue to see limited action, then I'll call in some of my contacts and resources and see if I can't start a group myself.

Needless to say, I would much rather tap into an existing system, but I think we don't have the luxury of time to allow us to slowly and gradually change from within. If we're still working our way through the internal structures and politics of BRONZ when Slippery Nick gives us our medicine, I will be irritated to say the least. I don't want idiots like SN et al telling me how to ride safely, I want people like us to do that.

[Pedrostt500]

I agree, the time is upon us, and we need to take action, and I agree with the sentiment that reinventing the wheel is not the best move. We need a professionally run pressure group with skills in law, public relations, marketing lobbying and media to act for us, or we will find ourselves taking our medicine, but does BRONZ have the resources we need? I've already approached BRONZ (admittedly a while ago) offering my services as a marketing and PR professional and sometime lobbyist and fundraiser. The response I got was disinterest, so I promptly forgot them until recently. I'm happy to offer my skills again, but if they aren't interested and I continue to see limited action, then I'll call in some of my contacts and resources and see if I can't start a group myself.

Needless to say, I would much rather tap into an existing system, but I think we don't have the luxury of time to allow us to slowly and gradually change from within. If we're still working our way through the internal structures and politics of BRONZ when Slippery Nick gives us our medicine, I will be irritated to say the least. I don't want idiots like SN et al telling me how to ride safely, I want people like us to do that.

The amount of time money and effort to set up an alternative to BRONZ, would out weigh bringing BRONZ up to speed, but if you think you can get enough members nation wide to set up an alternative, power to you, nobody is trying to stop you.
Though my suggestion is for you to get BRONZ Christchurch of the ground.

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The amount of time money and effort to set up an alternative to BRONZ, would out weigh bringing BRONZ up to speed, but if you think you can get enough members nation wide to set up an alternative, power to you, nobody is trying to stop you.
Though my suggestion is for you to get BRONZ Christchurch of the ground.

I've emailed BRONZ and offered my skills and expertise. They weren't interested last time, but hopefully things have changed.

[zzzz]

I've emailed BRONZ and offered my skills and expertise. They weren't interested last time, but hopefully things have changed.

I went to one of the (last?) Christchurch meeting to rejoin and they were far from interested in me or my mate to join. (been over sea's)
May have been the winding up of the group?
What a change of people and attitude from the last time I was at one of these meeting.
We got the cold shoulder most of the night.
Not a friendly group at all, but like I said it may have been a winding up and closing down meeting.
They could have talked to us and told us the Club was closing down.

Good to hear someone may start it up again and I wish you all the best.

[shrub]

I went to one of the (last?) Christchurch meeting to rejoin and they were far from interested in me or my mate to join. (been over sea's)
:

Still no reply - I'm not inspired to get involved with a pressure group that is that slack during a period when motorcyclists are being shafted. They may be busy or on holiday, but I believe there is a degree of urgency so by the end of this month I'll have something up and running.

[zzzz]

Still no reply

Bugger I thought it was only the CHCH branch that had got slack.
Maybe they need their monthly meeting, to beable, to do anything?

[zzzz]

Still no contact from BRONZ?
Would be good to get a CHCH Branch up and going again.

[caseye]

Ring Ixion, ask him whats involved, then Do IT!
Simple really, talking and not doing achieves nothing, if you are keen enough it'll work.Give it a try, what to lose? besides our basic freedom to ride on roads and be treated the same as any other road user.