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    Illegal. There must be a properly secured seat , and footrests (boards,floor etc) for every person on the motorcycle.

    Not sure how that would go with a chick with a baby in one of those papoose carrier things on her back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    In fact it could be argued I am adding a dangerous projection to the vehicle, part of the reason I removed them, as they are now a danger of catching my legs if I crash.

    So I could fail for adding them......

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    Holy moley - just how big and protruding are they?????, given that most pillion pegs fold back against the chassis (although maybe your bike is different).
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    Quote Originally Posted by boman View Post
    I know of and have seen a vehicle drive into a WOF place legal. 1 hour later it was sacked, no springs and bald tyres. When the firm gave out the WOF the car was fully compliant with the regulations. The young guys went home, remodded the car and then it wasn't legal.
    Happens a lot - and when the pink-sticker goes on the windscreen the slack-jawed mouth-breathing owner moans "Aw, ya can't do that, it's got a warrant on it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    Failing a WOF for no rear pillion pegs when my bike is clearly set up for one rider is a bit pedantic in my view.
    Yep I agree, but they are supposed to follow rules.

    I've had my pillion mounts removed for some time and usually bolt them on before WOF time. Last time I forgot and only remembered during testing. I expected a fail (received a sideways glance), but they let it slide.

    Perhaps find a tester with a bit more understanding and stick with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    How could an accident occur due to lack of pillion pegs on a bike without a rear seat?
    I did say "lets make that assumption".

    Quote Originally Posted by davebullet View Post
    Hang on... if your vehicle fails a WOF, are you legally allowed to drive / ride it home anyway?
    I would guess that if your WOF was still valid before arriving it would still be valid afterwards.
    If it was expired when you arrived, then you probably would not be able to legally drive away.

    I seem to recall some legislation that says you vehicle must always be maintained in a road worthy condition (which generally implies WOF standard) if used on a public road.

    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    Really? Several? In NZ? Links please.
    I've done a search, and can't find a link to a case of negligent manslaughter. I'm guessing the cases don't make it into the web media much.

    The last case (which resulted in an actual prosecution) that I recall occurred on the southern motorway in Auckland. A truck that had been recently serviced had a part come loose, which flew off hitting another car killing the driver.

    The court found the mechanic to be at fault through negligence.

    If I recall the specifics correctly, the court found the mechanic had not adhered to some element of the service schedule recommended by the manufacturer (some part was meant to be replaced every 'x" km's, and it had not been). The court concluded the part that came loose killing the car driver had occurred because of this.

    If I recall correctly, the mechanic was given a jail term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    Really? Several? In NZ? Links please.
    MECHANIC FACES MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES
    The first witnesses have been called in the trial of an Auckland mechanic facing manslaughter charges. Richard John Parsons faces three charges relating to a fatal crash in 1995. Panel beater Gerald Roland, who helped clean up the accident scene, has told the court he discovered part of the steering mechanism was loose in the car Parsons had worked on. The crown alleges Parsons didn't use the necessary care in repairing the car, which then led to the accident.



    this was a few years ago though...and was of interest to me as I'm in the trade and had worked with richard before this had occured, he was found not guilty
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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    How could an accident occur due to lack of pillion pegs on a bike without a rear seat?
    So just to clear something up:

    instead of your pillion seat, you had a hard piece of plastic that matches your fairings that directly replaces your seat? You then took off you pillion pegs because of this?

    If this is the case, bullshit to the fail. Something that is designed to match the fairings and is clearly not a seat (i.e. plastic etc) is...well...clearly not a seat. If they failed because of this stating that it's a "seat" I would go home, peg up and ask the dude that failed to jump on the back to see if he still thinks it's a seat.

    If, on the other hand you had the seat still on with no pegs (how I rode my bike), then i can see their point and stop your bitching

    So it depends what was "the seat" for me to bitch with you or bitch at you

    Quote Originally Posted by davebullet View Post
    Hang on... if your vehicle fails a WOF, are you legally allowed to drive / ride it home anyway?
    you can legally drive/ride your vehicle anywhere needed "for repairs". Within reason. Deliberate grey area of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    Holy moley - just how big and protruding are they?????, given that most pillion pegs fold back against the chassis (although maybe your bike is different).

    But they do hang down in the space between the muffler and the tire, where there would other wise be space for a leg or arm to flail between in an accident.....
    Quote Originally Posted by ckai View Post
    So just to clear something up:

    instead of your pillion seat, you had a hard piece of plastic that matches your fairings that directly replaces your seat? You then took off you pillion pegs because of this?

    Thats the one.

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    would of been easier to take the rear seat off

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    I tend to think this example of the law is approached from the wrong direction...Pillion seat or not, the bike should not have to have pillian rests for a warrant...but carry a pillian without correct foot rests and you should be liable for a dangerous drivng citation....IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by stify View Post
    MECHANIC FACES MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES
    The first witnesses have been called in the trial of an Auckland mechanic facing manslaughter charges. Richard John Parsons faces three charges relating to a fatal crash in 1995. Panel beater Gerald Roland, who helped clean up the accident scene, has told the court he discovered part of the steering mechanism was loose in the car Parsons had worked on. The crown alleges Parsons didn't use the necessary care in repairing the car, which then led to the accident.
    this was a few years ago though...and was of interest to me as I'm in the trade and had worked with richard before this had occured, he was found not guilty
    I can recall that. It was something along the lines of ; one guy pulled the trans out to do a clutch and was either fired or walked out before the job was finished. The second guy comes along to finish the job and didn't notice that the steering mechanism had been detached as his method of removing the trans didn't require it. Cosequently the steering comonent fell off (I assume it was a tie rod) and an accident followed. The second guy was charged and, as you say, was found not guilty but it wrecked his life. If my memory serves me correctly he got out of the trade and I don't blame him.

    As for WOF checks in general I don't have too many issues and know about the footrest thing; if you have a rear seat you gotta have rear pegs and I believe it's also vice` versa. I do take umbridge when they knock you for noisy pipes without having a decibel meter in their hand though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    it wrecked his life. If my memory serves me correctly he got out of the trade and I don't blame him.

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    yep, he was never the same thats for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by stify View Post
    yep, he was never the same thats for sure
    Yeah, and that fuckin' sucks. By all means the accident needed to be investigated but the cops ruined a guys' life and off they trot into the distance without a care in the world. He should have been compensated for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sAsLEX View Post
    Thats the one.
    Well bollocks to that! You did what every 675 owner does if they have a rear cowl instead of the seat and it's certainly what I would do. Shit, I didn't even have my pegs since I didn't carry pillions. People didn't even ask for a ride since I didn't have the.

    I'd give them a "who's ya daddy" as well. Meat heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayd3n View Post
    would of been easier to take the rear seat off
    I had. The bike in question does not have a rear seat, and nor did it when the pillion pegs where on for the retest.

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