Average speeds dropping, yet road toll increasing

[Monkeynz]

There is an enormous amount of reading material on this site about that, but basically you may pass on the right, in any lane, at any time, at any speed, as long as you can say WHY it was safe, and as long as you do not cross a yellow no-passing line, AND additionally, if the traffic is completely stopped, then you may also pass on the left. In a nutshell.

Steve

Wicked, and I thought it was illegal! Awesome, to the car and truck drivers.

[MD]

I can't be stuffed finding the original data but when I wrote my Submission about the proposed 40kph speed limit for Tawa a few years ago I obtained the findings from the London congestion tax introduction. Interesting outcome that they didn't expect was; they reduced the number of cars in central London; the average traffic speed went up by a reasonable percent. FACT; cycle and car accidents went down by a greater perecentage than the speed % went up. Totally blew the stupid Bureaucrats theory that; decrease speed must = less accidents; increase speed must = more accidents.

Just like the faster flowing British motorways prove. Intelligent, courteous, fast flowing drivers who know how to use lanes and operate those complicated indicator devices, have far less accidents than our ill trained moron drivers.

[Monkeynz]

I can't be stuffed finding the original data but when I wrote my Submission about the proposed 40kph speed limit for Tawa a few years ago I obtained the findings from the London congestion tax introduction. Interesting outcome that they didn't expect was; they reduced the number of cars in central London; the average traffic speed went up by a reasonable percent. FACT; cycle and car accidents went down by a greater perecentage than the speed % went up. Totally blew the stupid Bureaucrats theory that; decrease speed must = less accidents; increase speed must = more accidents.

Just like the faster flowing British motorways prove. Intelligent, courteous, fast flowing drivers who know how to use lanes and operate those complicated indicator devices, have far less accidents than our ill trained moron drivers.

Yea I bloody reckon, every day I see idioitic drivers who shouldn't be allowed on the road, some just have no idea.

[CookMySock]

Wicked, and I thought it was illegal!

HELL NO! That is 50% of the fun to be had on bikes. Even on the open road you can do the same thing at yellow passing lines - just do not cross them! AND make sure you have a good explanation up your sleeve at all times, coz if the fuzz didn't like your little manoevre they will stop you and hear your explanation, so it better be a good-un.

You also may not split through an intersection, use turning bays, or median strips. Everywhere else - GO HARD and ride around the fuckers! LOL.


Steve

[Monkeynz]

HELL NO! That is 50% of the fun to be had on bikes. Even on the open road you can do the same thing at yellow passing lines - just do not cross them! AND make sure you have a good explanation up your sleeve at all times, coz if the fuzz didn't like your little manoevre they will stop you and hear your explanation, so it better be a good-un.

You also may not split through an intersection, use turning bays, or median strips. Everywhere else - GO HARD and ride around the fuckers! LOL.


Steve

Cool, thats some awesome info to have to start the New Year. Never been a huge fan of overtaking with cars coming the other way let alone on the yellows though. Did it when I was in England and was .1 mph away from instant loss of licence so been a bit weary since so yes was speeding a little too.

[rainman]

So, speed doesn't kill....

Accidents kill. And accidents happen at any speed.

It's just that faster accidents are more likely to kill. Yes you can have a fatal at almost any speed, but it's way unlikely at 30kph, much more so at 150ph.

With last year being in recession, people have not had spare cash to pay speeding fines so have reduced their speed to avoid getting caught.
I know I have slowed down in my car, but unfortunately not on my bike..... sorry but just can't help it, although nearly got caught during the week.

I also wondered how many fewer km were being travelled owing to the recession.

I haven't had a speeding ticket in bloody years (probably since the mid 90s), car or bike. It's not hard.

[Monkeynz]

It's just that faster accidents are more likely to kill. Yes you can have a fatal at almost any speed, but it's way unlikely at 30kph, much more so at 150ph.



I also wondered how many fewer km were being travelled owing to the recession.

I haven't had a speeding ticket in bloody years (probably since the mid 90s), car or bike. It's not hard.

Also with petrol prices going sky high in 2008 there was a huge drop off in vehicle usage. It greatly affected the Automotive industry, particularly Panelbeating/spraypainting.

I haven't had a ticket for about 20yrs here in NZ but had one 12 yrs ago in England. TOUCH WOOD I don't get one for a few more years too!

[rok-the-boat]

There are more accidents because with one eye ALWAYS on the speedo you have only one eye left with which to watch the road. Common sense.

[p.dath]

While you're on that subject, whats the laws around riding between vehicles say stopped at a set of lights?

The Wiki has a lot of info in this area:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Cate...otorcycle_Laws

[awayatc]

intelligent, courteous, fast flowing drivers who know how to use lanes ........... .

Yeah, I know Both of them.....

[marty]

The trend is down. 2nd lowest road toll since 1962. 20-odd more than 2008. If they took stupidity out of the road toll it would probably be 1/2 what it is. At least 3 were kids run over in their own driveway last year. And it's tough to keep the toll down when fuckwits running from the cops kill themselves like last night

[CookMySock]

If they took stupidity out of the road toll it would probably be 1/2 what it is. At least 3 were kids run over in their own driveway last year.

3 is a very small number overall, when you consider just how many of these wheeled deathtraps we have around the place. Call it "stupidity" perhaps, but there is also the element of plain bad luck.

Steve

[Katman]

If they took stupidity out of the road toll it would probably be 1/2 what it is.

If you took stupidity out of the motorcycle fatality stats we'd almost have a clean slate.

[denill]

If you took stupidity out of the motorcycle fatality stats we'd almost have a clean slate.

Totaly true..........

I know Cos - it's always been stupidity on my part when I've been close to causing myself serious damage.

[CookMySock]

If you took stupidity out of the motorcycle fatality stats we'd almost have a clean slate.

You have the knack of inadvertantly insulting hell out of the maximum number of people, with the minimum possible number of words.

I am surprised you haven't been whacked hard from a statement like that. Perhaps you choose your company very carefully, because you put no care in the slightest into choosing your words.

Steve