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    Angry It's not bloody fair - Long rant, just ignore me

    IGNORE this post, was written while being a dumbass. Read the followup thread. I won't delete, since I did post it, and should live with it.

    When I had my old bike, I had a major service done at MotoMart, which was about $1500. When I got it back, the chain adjuster was loose enough to fall off, the petrol tank was leaking (from the connecting pipe), the back brakes vibrated and it ran rough as hell. But since I had already paid them, getting much done about it was hard task, they couldn't really give a crap. So, I've never, and will never use MotoMart again. (I have a friend who does, and has no issues, so different people have different experience, I know. Maybe it's just the fact that I stutter, and look like a f*ing retard, so they treat me as such, and don't take me seriously, nothing new there....) ANYWAY....

    Now, with my new bike, I use Sawyers on Vivian Street, Wgtn, since that's where I bought the bike from (They were really helpful, and fast when I was paying for it). I took it in recently for the 1000kms first service, and haven't done much maintanance since, it was only a few weeks ago. I took the fairings off today, to change the oil and filter (I've finished the run in now), and found that I can't get the oil filler cap off. It feels like they tightened it with a pneumatic wrench, and welded it for good measure, it won't bloody budge. AND, they scratched the spanner groove on the oil filler cap, while using MY filler cap wrench (out of the bike tool kit). I wouldn't mind, but they tore the rubber fitting that goes on the wrench, which stops any scratching. And, when I picked the bike up after that service, it stank of oil, and there was a little smoke from where El Mechinic had spilt oil on the engine. There is also an issue I'm having investigated with Yamaha, through Sawyers, which I don't think they have even started looking into, although they assure me they have.

    Before this all happened, I ordered an oil filter wrench, that took 2 weeks or so to come, and when it did, and I got it home, it didn't even fit, was too big. (They checked the part number before ordering!) So I had to exchange it, and wait again, for the new wrench, a genuine Yamaha part (The price was $75 when I got there, but they quoted me about $65 to $70. They weren't sure what they quoted me, so from my memory I said $69 which is what I ended up paying).

    I called them up at 12:50 today, and asked if I could bring it in quick, so they could sort out their handywork, but everyone of any use had gone home at 12:45 (they close at 1pm). Some guy named Paul said use a crescent spanner or pliers and a rag to loosen the nut. Well, maybe BugSplat knows, but the R1 filler plug doesn't seem suitable for gripping with pliers, it's very flat, and slightly dome shaped. By the time I tried this, it was 1pm (what sawyers were hoping I think), so when I rang I had to give in and book it in for monday. They better not bloody think of charging me for that.

    I'm really confused as how to treat them on Monday. The two female sales staff, Robyn and the other whose name I forget, are very willing to help and friendly. OH, they didn't even tighten up all the rivets/lugs on the fairings. To be fair, I guess that is a bit much to ask.

    It's just one thing after another, with Sawyers, but also with everything else. I'm getting f*ing sick of it. Going for a ride over the weekends is what I do to relax, and I can't even bloody do that now (Need to finish changing my oil).
    Last edited by StoneChucker; 10th August 2004 at 00:19. Reason: Post inaccurate...

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    So,,,
    What your telling us is,,,
    Your not happy.


    So apparently,,
    You can own a R1,,, sorry, a 04 R1,,,
    And, Still not be happy.
    :spudwhat:
    Interesting!

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    I'm sorry, but there are stuff all decent mechanics out there (insert many reasons including undervalued works, unrealistic customers - whatever) that work for dealerships. IMHO.

    Look, you paid a motza for a bike you think is real special as you sweated blood to get it. However, these guys see a bunch of em so it ain't no biggie to them. It's a bastard but thats life. I'm amazingly anal and thats one reason I could not stand to own a new bike...

    Ooops. Back to you...

    Friction occurs when there is a gap between expectation and reality. You have to understand that they may think they did a bang up job for you....

    However. Just go in, explain the problem as you see it, be patient, be reasonable, be calm, explain the problem logically and out line your expectations. The fact that you stutter is no reason to expect to be or to be treated badly. However, getting yourself wound up into an indignant frothing rage will not help....

    If you don't think you can do that, write it down, explain to the guy and give him the letter....

    Whatever you do... Don't get angry. First one to get angry LOOSES. You want a negotiation, NOT a confrontation.

    If none of the above makes any sense I'll explain more. if you are still mad, sell the bike, your rage will kill you on a bike like that.

    Buy an old Guzzi and do your own work son... You will lean a LOT about patience....

    Paul N

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    Sell the bike,buy another,different brand from another,different dealer - then see how your first service goes.....if you have exactly the same compaints then we have a common denominator....

    Oh,and good reply as usual Paul - expectations and communicaton,that's where it's at.
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    I don't think it is the mechanics fault - that's what you get when you end up with a workshop originally designed to do the work for one shop - now doing the work for two

    What is the prob with the bike you mentioned? Go to www.r1-forum.com to see if it is a common problem as there seem to be quite a few issues with the new R1

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    You'll be wanting one of these then ?

    http://www.ciamotorsports.com.au/detail.asp?Ref=269&Model=Yamaha%20YZF-R1%20(04)

    I've sent you a PM, give me a holler if I can assist.


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    Sorry to hear about your problems.

    Does the R1 have a normal screw on oil filter like Hondas have? Reason I ask is that to perhaps help any others out, if it does have an ordinary kind of filter then any cheap filter wrench from Repco or wherever should do the trick.

    I use a cheapo Motoguard strap type one (looks like a bit of seat belt on a square aluminium rod) that I've had for more than 20 years, and it fits all my cars and the smaller filter on the VFR - you just wrap it around and then turn the rod with a crescent spanner and I doubt it cost more than $10.
    Cheers

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    Thanks

    Thanks for the help...

    Paul, you're 100% right there, and I also make sure I don't go for a ride in a bad mood lol
    Wkid_one: You're crazy, the R1 is perfect, crafted by angels (But I've already been to r1-forum.com, and I seem to be free of any issues.
    Merv, yeah normal screw oil filter, but I've got my filter wrench sorted, just the filler cap needs loosening.

    Ride safe...

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    A few things here mate.There are dealers and there are dealers,it`s as important to pick your dealer as it is your bike.If I was buying a Suzuki for example I`d do what a lot of Plymouth does and go 40 miles away to Bridge Garage rather than the place 2 minutes walk from me.My regular dealer is tight on p/ex values and aren`t big on discounts either but nothing is too much trouble and they`re always on the customer`s side.They`ve twice taken parts off of new bikes in the showroom for me so I didnt have to wait for the warranty process to grind on and I once turned up early to pick the same bike up from a service to find the mechanic giving it a quick polish,blokes are bloody good and real bike nuts."The other place",well I know for a fact,knowing an ex mech from there,that they`re told to get bikes in and out as quickly as possible,my mate left there because he was frustrated at not being allowed to do his job properly.Word of mouth is the best way to find a good dealer,KB is ideal for this.
    Agree with a couple of things Paul has said,wise man that he is.My Union rep once gave me the same advice before a meeting with the bastards that had sacked me,"lose your temper and you lose the argument",very true and the best way to deflect away from the original complaint is to provoke confrontation so stay cool and stick to your point,annoyed though you rightly are.Accusations and threats will get you nowhere,if they wont be reasonable walk away and think about the next move,lose it and they`ll be able to use your attitude as an excuse for not treating you properly should things go further"Bloke`s a nutter,we tried to help but he wouldn`t listen".Paul`s right as well about "being anal",the reason I rarely buy new these days.Bikes get scratched,the paint chips,things get broken.Last new bike I had was the XT and every little dink and bit of tar that stuck to it was a personal tragedy until I realised what a prat I was being,when I traded it in the dealer had his mechanic take it into the workshop for a good going over,bloke was really impressed and I got over top book for it despite the higher than usual mileage after a bit of haggling.All the little blemishes I was well-aware of the mech hadn`t even noticed,as I doubt many would have.Obviously we all want to keep our bikes as good-looking as possible but in real-life they get bent,scratched and corrode so why fret over it?
    SO,keep it cool,stay polite,if you get no joy bite your tongue ,walk away and think about your next move,there`s a "worst dealer" thread here somewhere with plenty of good advice in it.

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    Let us know how you get on Stonechucker.

    I know that bike shop mechanics see brand new bikes all the time so it's no big deal to them, but I still expect them to treat my pride and joy (paid for with my hard earned money) with respect, and not to damage it. If they do damage it (beyond fair wear and tear) I would expect them to front up to me and be honest about it and tell me.

    I also would not expect them to use my tool kit to do work on my bike - I would have expected them to use their own tools!!

    I would also expect them to treat you with the same respect that they would someone who doesn't stutter. I think Paul's idea of writing it down is good - you could take it in with you in your pocket, and if things get heated (try to stay calm, though I realise it's easier said than done in these circumstances) you can pass the notes over. Perhaps too you could speak with the Service Manager - I think it's still Derek McAdam who's a good guy. (Bugsplat, you may be able to elighten us if it's changed from Derek?)

    Wkid_one, you're quite right about the workshop being very small for two bike shops. However, it was their choice to move next to Motorad, so they should sort out their workshop area. How they do that is their business - we still pay the same amount of money for our servicing so we have a right to expect the same quality of work.

    Good luck Stonechucker.

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    Re Yams dealer/service

    Hey StoneChucker, have bought 3 new yams(1 a year) for the last three years, bought local,Our family poilcy to always try and support local business.
    Also thought it would make it eaiser for service etc.

    Have not been thrilled with the service, now ride an hour to get bike serviced, not only was it cheaper, for service,(on average NZ$80cheaper) but am able to have bike worked on by dedicated bike mechanic. In a dedicated bike workshop.

    Not sure if It made any differnce but when I started having concerns (after bike #2) and seemed to make no progress with dealer principal, I rode over to Yamaha head office, and got in the face of the distribution manager dude.

    He claimed they were aware of other complaints, it seemed the co I was dealing with were going through some restructure, the manager of the dealership resigned, and they have now employed a bike mecahnic.

    However I have now found a good dealership to service bike, and I guess when I replace the 04 R6, I will buy from theses guys.

    Feel free to pm me if you want more info.


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    Stone Chucker old son. I've met you once and I cannot remember you looking particularly like a retard (well, not in that company anyway - heh heh). But a couple of things have been buggin' about your message so if you will forgive me, can i suggest you go back and read it through again as if you were Sawyers...

    You copped a shitty deal at motomart that has made you wary of dealers. fair enough, even the best organisations screw up. Frankly, usually thats not as important as what they do to address the screw up.

    You stutter? Get over it. We all have disabilities. I'm a type 1 diabetic and I have farking near collapsed into a raging frothing heap from a hypo in a bike shop which scared the shit out of them (and me) but once they knew what the problem was, they could not have been nicer and have continued to be so. 90% of the time it's ignorance that causes the problem. Perhaps you feel your speech problem is far worse than mine? How about a reading difficulty that means no email, lists like this or ability to complete a simple sales agreement thrust in front of you?

    Once again. If you explain it to people, the good ones will fall all over themselves to assist you. Who the hell is gunna mistreat a person with a "disability" these days?? Use it!!!! Walk away from the arseholes, you will soon figure out which are which.

    OK... Hopping off my hobby horse....

    The bike...

    They ordered the wrong spanner? Mate! It might be the first one they ever ordered and the parts books are not always clear! Fuck me, I've had people order the wrong telephone exchange to the order of several million dollars over a simple part number error! Do you think they did it on purpose? Sounds like they did their best to sort it out and accepted the price you told them without question. Thats not bad!

    You rang just before they closed on a saturday????

    Yes, it might be unproffessional but I'll bet a sack full of septic sausages that your doctor or your lawyer (not to mention your dentist) would tell you where to go if you did the same to them. If you had called at 10am I'll bet it could have been sorted. Believe it or not, these people get paid fuck all and have family and lives. They get into the industry because they love bikes not because they hate customers (that comes with experience)

    I can think of a shitload of reasons why the filler cap is stuck. It could be a design problem with unsuitable materials, inappropriate thread forms etc etc. Some things just seem to thighten up, maybe thats why the spanner was damaged, ask them about it and perhaps you will get a tip like smearing a little anti sieze in there??

    How do you know they have not bought your problem up with Yamaha? I'm sorry but it is a well know practise of some companies to do nothing about some things (ie don't reply or acknowledge until you have the answer). What is sawyers gunna do, throw in the dealership??

    Read the above, think about how sawyers might see the issues, come up with your bottom line to remedy the situation and always leave something in the deal for the other guy... In this occasion it might be thanking them for helping you out even if you didn't get everything you really wanted... You will next time...

    Look, I hope this helps... I have spent years negotiating these types of problems but on a bigger scale... You have to be hard on yourself to see how the other guy might see it. In this case, list the facts, forget the emotion. They can only deal with the physical, emotion is your side....

    Paul N

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    Yea Tuff break StoneChucker . I think we have all been down this road oneway or another .When it's your own bike that you have paid for we all expect the people that work on our Bike's to not scratch , dent or damage it , But it doe's happen . Doesn't help when it's brand new either. I'v found sometime's if you talk to shop people if they are important they respond alot better even if they aren't ,they seem to help out a bit more .Could be worth a try ? Sensei

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    It is like when you buy that new visor/pair of glasses and they get their first scratch - shit happens. I don't think many people are going to go - nice bike, pity the oil filler caps scratched.

    Mate - what are you going to be like with your first stone chip or paint scratch!

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    Something bothering me with this thread, You have just had your bike serviced - did they not change the oil and filter as part of the service???

    If not why not?? If they did then why are you wanting to do another oil & filter change??

    I think as Paul & others have said go back & talk to them as to the problems you have - good luck on that.

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