Maybe another angle?

[bogan]

I agree in principle but hate paying for recidivist traffic offenders who dont learn from their mistakes, or boy racers about to make mistakes, and those who choose to ride fast on high powered machines.

yeh, I agree and dont want to pay for recidivist offenders, but insurance takes people who are likely to offend for the first time and makes them pay a higher premium as well, not just the ones who have offended before. And trying to add any middle ground would just result in some loopholes, and some getting shafted, I think we have come to an all or nothing point in ACC, totally risk/fault based like an insurance scheme, or completely removing the risk factor from the equations. I vote the latter.

Unfortunately for scooterists this would mean an increase in ACC levies, but imo a justified one.

NZ is the world champion at killing their young men in road accidents.....something needs to be done and that should be extensive and ongoing training for all new drivers and riders, with financial disincentives for constantly screwing up no matter what you operate.

If something needs to be done I definably dont think forcing us into a bubble word by increasing the cost of all high risk activities to be un-affordable by the masses. I wonder just how significant a burden these ACC re-offenders are, I would have though most people would shape up after a single serious injury. But I agree with you on training, more the better!

[sunhuntin]

if you dislike recidivist offenders, then maybe target cagers like the drunk guy who killed two bikers in one hit. it was NOT his first offence and the riders were just doing their thing legally. far as i know, the drunk had kids in the car as well. that drunk caused more damage than any rider on any machine ever could. or maybe the old woman from otaki who hit and killed the teacher cycling home to his wife and young baby. wasnt her first drink driving offence either, but she was allowed to get away with all the previous times until she murdered someone innocent.

financial disincentives will do sweet fuck all... look at all the fines that get wiped every year. the drunk driver should have faced life in prison and a life time ban on driving. im not sure what kind of sentence he actually got, or if he even got one. but a fine wouldnt have proven anything, as shown by the fact he had been caught before. the old woman basically got away with it as well, if i recall.

[98tls]

I agree in principle but hate paying for recidivist traffic offenders who dont learn from their mistakes, or boy racers about to make mistakes, and those who choose to ride fast on high powered machines.

NZ is the world champion at killing their young men in road accidents.....something needs to be done and that should be extensive and ongoing training for all new drivers and riders, with financial disincentives for constantly screwing up no matter what you operate.

Young men?Go on a poker run or 2,theres not to many young men but a heap of experienced motorcyclists (apparently)Been riding 38 years and up until a month ago had never bothered attending such a thing,after going on 2 since my whole perception of ACC and the publics view of motorcycles/motorcyclists has changed and though i dont like there attitude i can see why they have one.