Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

[centaurus]

Right.
Exactly how NZ was sold on the idea of introducing ACC in 1974.
But 45 years later, private insurance is cheaper?

If we let them f*ck with ACC and keep increasing the levies, they will make sure the levies will be higher than for a normal insurance, to force the people in requesting them to can ACC. That's my point: ACC is a better option, but if we let the f*uck with it they will make it more expensive for us, just so they can justify killing it.

[StoneY]

Time for a show of hands?
Who wants to pay more, for less?
No-one, huh? Typical.

You have been promoted to officiall slogan meister of the campaign MSTRS!!!!!

Nicely written man, real nice, thank you

You compressed every line I ever wrote here into one simple statement.....amazing!

[StoneY]

If we let them f*ck with ACC and keep increasing the levies, they will make sure the levies will be higher than for a normal insurance, to force the people in requesting them to can ACC. That's my point: ACC is a better option, but if we let the f*uck with it they will make it more expensive for us, just so they can justify killing it.

ANd thats a great clarification too

TOO MANY PEOPLE are speed reading and misquoting allies here
Centaurus and Casseye both been misquoted/misinterpereted here and BOTH have been staunch allies and workers on this campaign form day one

THANK YOU to every positive contributor
Thank YOU to all who will be marshals on the day

THANKS KB for allowing us to vent/plan/rant/ scheme/dribble on this forum, and THANKS for the UNIONS for the money and time and efforts they have made on YOUR KIDS behalf in regards the current protest and ongoing campaign

[sunhuntin]

i find that a post loses all credibility when the author puts a "word" like pwned at the bottom.

[StoneY]

i find that a post loses all credibility when the author puts a "word" like pwned at the bottom.

Well, its sorta modern vernacular sine online gaming took off globally, and sometimes (just sometimes) result of lazy typing, P is next to O not a hard typo to do...its how the term became 'cool'

[riffer]

ANd thats a great clarification too

TOO MANY PEOPLE are speed reading and misquoting allies here
Centaurus and Casseye both been misquoted/misinterpereted here and BOTH have been staunch allies and workers on this campaign form day one

THANK YOU to every positive contributor
Thank YOU to all who will be marshals on the day

THANKS KB for allowing us to vent/plan/rant/ scheme/dribble on this forum, and THANKS for the UNIONS for the money and time and efforts they have made on YOUR KIDS behalf in regards the current protest and ongoing campaign

You could be right there Brent. I was reading the threads while eating toast and having coffee (late start) and got a bit wound up. Not difficult. I'm just a tad passionate about this subject.

[oldrider]

If we let them f*ck with ACC and keep increasing the levies, they will make sure the levies will be higher than for a normal insurance, to force the people in requesting them to can ACC. That's my point: ACC is a better option, but if we let the f*uck with it they will make it more expensive for us, just so they can justify killing it.

True!

There has been some good stuff written on this thread and if you pick through it without wearing biased shades you can really get to the nub of the situation we find ourselves in.

Absolute Woodhouse ACC or nothing is the best, quickest and easiest achievable solution to the current (orchestrated) dilemma of ACC and the levy hikes!

In my honest opinion the return to the Woodhouse model of ACC is currently the most suitable for New Zealand.

While marching side by side with the Unions is not my preference, the destination is the same, once that objective has been reached, I will go my own way and they can go theirs!

If we simply stand our ground on our differences and do nothing the opposition (whatever MMP government combination is in power) will trample over all of us forever.

I support the work that StoneY is doing and will attend any rally that I am able to and I will worry about the consequences of agendas once the ACC battle has been won!

Good luck StoneY at least, in spirit I am with you, at best, I will be there on the day. Thank you.

[StoneY]

You could be right there Brent. I was reading the threads while eating toast and having coffee (late start) and got a bit wound up. Not difficult. I'm just a tad passionate about this subject.

As we all are my man.

OK MARSHALLS


on the day anyone willing, able and capable, be there at parliament between 9-30 and 10 am to be vested up, and you WILL be given duties

BIKERS are simply monitoring the Parking at Molesworth, and protecting Cenotaph Paving (untill there is no room left sssshhhhhh)

We also watch the gates, NO vehicles past the gates at all, only foot traffic

Its THAT simple, in fact so simple I cant even see a need for Radio's this time....a decent briefing and a few key people from last round who know the score should suffice

I have some big fellah's allready in the Marshal squads, they were last time too so know the score and process

Foxzee has volunteered (or I volunteered her I think LOL) to be Police Liaison on the day
We have an official photographer (Ratti)
We have a Journo lined up if Jims recovered enough...let hope

PA sorted, barriers will be managed by Parliament security, Cops will monitor whatever they monitor, Council yet to confirm parking (but sure they will....)

Cant think of anything else....done all I can....lets show up on the day and make it happen again

SEE YA ALL THERE!

And Thanks for the support Old's mate, you rock bruv

[sunhuntin]

if parking on the cenotaph is a possibility, would there be a way to restrict it to modern bikes? i remember last year, not on the bikoi, but some other protest, someone leaked oil all over it which basically put a black mark against the whole event.

[Fatt Max]

You could be right there Brent. I was reading the threads while eating toast and having coffee (late start) and got a bit wound up. Not difficult. I'm just a tad passionate about this subject.

Fuking bang on mate, the more I get clued up, the more pasionate I get about the whole thing myself.

I CANNOT WAIT to get down there on the 16th and support you guys, you are fecking legends for fighting this fight. Fizzing like fuck me....

'1000's with one voice", let 'em fucking have it guys......

[StoneY]

if parking on the cenotaph is a possibility, would there be a way to restrict it to modern bikes? i remember last year, not on the bikoi, but some other protest, someone leaked oil all over it which basically put a black mark against the whole event.

During the Ulysses rally of 31st Oct, many (including me nad the 10 who rode in with me) parked on the paving there, and some had leaks.
I saw one guy actually fixing his bike and the fix spilled some fluids, carburettor gas and some white mikly crap...wont name n shame but he was a KBer

I personally hit every spot there with a can of Brakekleen (Thanks StoneY for cleaning it up for us...sure Ulysses no prob) heheheh (stir it up lmfao)
Rain has done the rest since but yes as a result...its a 'no go zone'

BUT...as its a public 'park' and a official speakers corner under local bylaw (means you can soapbox there any given time) no one can actually STOP you being there there legally......
If we run out of room, I can see it opening up...BUT thats over 900 bikes before it needs happen...I counted last time.

[StoneY]

OK MARSHALLS


on the day anyone willing, able and capable, be there at parliament between 9-30 and 10 am to be vested up, and you WILL be given duties

BIKERS are simply monitoring the Parking at Molesworth, and protecting Cenotaph Paving (untill there is no room left sssshhhhhh)

We also watch the gates, NO vehicles past the gates at all, only foot traffic

Its THAT simple, in fact so simple I cant even see a need for Radio's this time....a decent briefing and a few key people from last round who know the score should suffice

I have some big fellah's allready in the Marshal squads, they were last time too so know the score and process

Foxzee has volunteered (or I volunteered her I think LOL) to be Police Liaison on the day
We have an official photographer (Ratti)
We have a Journo lined up if Jims recovered enough...let hope

PA sorted, barriers will be managed by Parliament security, Cops will monitor whatever they monitor, Council yet to confirm parking (but sure they will....)

Cant think of anything else....done all I can....lets show up on the day and make it happen again

SEE YA ALL THERE!

And Thanks for the support Old's mate, you rock bruv

Shameless bump for Marshals

[Ms Piggy]

Shameless bump for Marshals

Bumpity, bump, bump!

[Ratti]

er...how the fek did I get to be official photog???? Am trying to round up a mate who is into it for you StoneY. Will getback to you today hopefully. Will do the deed if he can't,but I thought my main contribution was fetching FattMax. and from what I hear that is a BIG contribution..lol

ps. have heard back from my mate and he cant do it,but knows someone who is a professional at photographing big events and will do the deed. He needs to find his phone number and then pass it on to me, who will then pass the information on to you....

[mashman]

If i'm wrong, i'm more than happy to listen to those reasons why...

But why is the solution to "save ACC"?

Because it's the only thing that makes sense. A country ticks over because of its people and a welfare/health care system that looks after every member of the country is what's required to keep the country ticking over. No healthy workers, no country!

How did the protest at unjust fee hikes become a campaign to save the cause of the unjust fee hikes?

If they can prove to me that the hikes are just, then i'll happily pay! They haven't. Nowhere near it in fact! Even their own statisticians question the validity of data that the recommendations have been based on.

Its because ACC is a fucking shambles that we are being hammered. So whats to save.

Fix it or can it, but save it? why?

Because there are too many people, comfortable with THEIR lives, comfortable with THEIR standards of living, comfortable in the knowledge that THEIR government is doing the best for them... And as you obviously won't do anything about it, my blood is boiling in the knowledge that there are people who want to do something about it... those who care more about what the $$$ can do rather than what the $$$ represents. Take off those rose tinted specs man!

Is that the message you are trying to send to Wellington.

My message to the government is "JUST DO YOUR FUCKING JOBS AND STOP SCREWING PEOPLE OVER"... but as i'm a betting man, i'm going to bet that the government don't give a shit, because you're just a voter and over the years they have come to the conclusion that they are lords and master of this country and that is thanks to narrow minded peopel such as yourself... you don't really give a shit just as long as YOU ARE ALRIGHT!

"keep up the bloated monster but don't make me pay my share for it" Yeah catchy, real convincing.

How about, let's see if we can use some of the 1.7 billion of "profits" from this year to see if we can make the system better... Ahhhh, because then you'd HAVE TO WORK FOR A FUCKIN LIVING... Seriously man, is it you or your 8 year old that's asking these questions/making these statements? You do know that they're mulling over, or are in the process of replacing the software at ACC with an insurance software package (could cost 100 mill), something that could be written (yes i write software and i doubt very much that this is the monster it's made out to be) specifically for the task it's required to undertake for about 1/10 of the cost!!! That other 90 mill, hmmmm, how many more nurses/doctors/people will that keep for the next 10 years... Put the fucker on a diet if it's bloated... Starting with those insane salaries.

How about, "Cut ACC back to size by making it about accidents".

ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa, that's a good one. How about a free chainsaw with every box of Weetbix... that way if it's not an accident at least you can cut it off for free!!!!!!! How about, looking at the current business process and seeing where it's going so wrong that all it can generate is 1.7 billion "profit" each year... Hell, could potentially reinvest some of that into improvements... sorry, I now that that's too much common sense and i'm just being silly.

Or "Keep ACC fair" by levying bikers/drivers once only, and "fund it in public" - so we can see that the bureacrats are doing a good job with our money, and not compensating nutters for recovered emotional harm syndrome, or whatever crap is fashionable this week.

So very narrow minded. ACC is BROKEN, not BROKE!!!! I can't prove it, because they won't let me in, but with profit being made every year and 11 billion in assests... PULEASE...

How many people are on the ACC board? I'll take one spot as i want to know and will do a better job!

As for being Union pawns... holy shit, if that's your only reason for not getting involved then you better not have your kids at school, them teachers are unionists ya know, oh and don't go to the hospital (it's full of unionists), public transport oooooo union members... shit, you better be real careful...

What makes you think that ACC won't work?