Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

[Fatt Max]

Mate i got footage of Both of Max's songs...... I'm trying to upload them to you tube as I type..... it's going kinda slow.

I will post a link here once I have it sussed.

Oh shit lol.......

[Mom]

I am just going to wait and see the positives that come out of this, all will be revealed in good time!

Might have to change tack on strategy for next time, maybe!

Perhaps. We are polarised but...

Watered down stuff. The unions dont have the same clout as they used to. Guess this means the bikers have to rise again and lead the way.

Okay. Put a spin on it.

The bikers are pissed off with mr Smith - 10000 odd turn up and demand his blood.

The unions are pissed off with Mr Smith - 50 odd turn up and whimper.

What does that say is the most potent political force - and thus least safe to piss off ?

The one that is prepared to get off its arse and do what they say they are going to?

[Ratti]

was the protest today worth the effort?

see thread with this title too for more opinions...

[pete376403]

A few pics from today.
Yeah, a shame about the union numbers - they were almost outnumbered by the cops and security.

[sunhuntin]

Enough poo pooing the unions for a poor showing when we could only muster a pitifull amount of riders also !!!

difference being that riders werent encouraged to attend today, we were only to show up, not be the whole event. if i recall, the preferred number of bikes was 500 for today. i havent heard an exact number, but im sure we had more than that show up.

[Gareth51]

Will be there next time if the unions stay away

[riffer]

Won't be unions next time I reckon. I'd like to see 10,000 bikes holding up the whole of Wellington. Looking at those photos too I better do something about my gut or think seriously about buying a Harley...

[XP@]

Did the protest happen today?

There is no goddamn record of it anywhere!
(Edit: It's a trick question cos I was there so I know it did but there is no real proof!)

[pete376403]

Was mentioned on page 138 of teletext at around 7pm. Gone now, though

[Conquiztador]

Found this: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1002/S00187.htm

and this: http://www.nzpaimages.co.nz/events.p...ll=0&page_no=0

and: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/angry-a...-return-118647

one more: http://www.guide2.co.nz/politics/new...eturn/11/14227

[invisiblehand1]

well well well.

What a fucking surprise.

So we let the unions take over the protest and make bikers look like they were just cover for a government bashing campaign. and then they fuck it up. Typical.

Feel like we're getting our voice heard now? Think we've fixed ACC yet? Think the Government will listen? Or maybe think that plonker Smith now knows no-one cares enough to complain.

There's a lesson in here. Never let the focus of your campaign be co-opted by others. Stay focused, stay on topic. The protest about fee hikes was legitimate. A multi-purpose mixed objective save ACC from the evil government campaign was dumb as a rock. Funnily enough, some people might have mentioned this earlier.

But hey, with thousands of brother unionists marching in unison, how could the evil Nats do anything but quail at the people's will unleashed. What could possibly go wrong?

Bwuhahaha.

[caseye]

cheers for the links Con, didn't see you there but hoped the electrics worked.
invisiblehand, thanks for the advice.
Did you attend in November?
What about yesterday?
Opinions are like arseholes , we've all got one.
You are entitled to yours, even to slag off those who did their best to make this work for us and the other groups affected by ACC Changes.
But don't come here expecting to find too many who will back you if you do.Making the effort is the first step. not giving up when given a wet fish is the next step.This is not over and we will be back and focused.

[sinfull]

Oh shit lol.......

Nothing to be worried about there mate ya did bloody well, good on ya !

difference being that riders werent encouraged to attend today, we were only to show up, not be the whole event. if i recall, the preferred number of bikes was 500 for today. i havent heard an exact number, but im sure we had more than that show up.

Couple hundy bikes if that i recon !

Think there were more police (with battons) filing into parliment than marchers ! Someone obviously thought the numbers were gonna be up there !

Won't be unions next time I reckon. I'd like to see 10,000 bikes holding up the whole of Wellington. Looking at those photos too I better do something about my gut or think seriously about buying a Harley...

Works for me !!!

[Fatt Max]

well well well.

What a fucking surprise.

So we let the unions take over the protest and make bikers look like they were just cover for a government bashing campaign. and then they fuck it up. Typical.

Feel like we're getting our voice heard now? Think we've fixed ACC yet? Think the Government will listen? Or maybe think that plonker Smith now knows no-one cares enough to complain.

There's a lesson in here. Never let the focus of your campaign be co-opted by others. Stay focused, stay on topic. The protest about fee hikes was legitimate. A multi-purpose mixed objective save ACC from the evil government campaign was dumb as a rock. Funnily enough, some people might have mentioned this earlier.

But hey, with thousands of brother unionists marching in unison, how could the evil Nats do anything but quail at the people's will unleashed. What could possibly go wrong?

Bwuhahaha.

It's a case of looking at the bigger picture and, most of all, being there supporting those who are going out on a limb to fight on our behalf.

Mr Goff made an inspiring speech and then thanked all of us for "coming out and standing up for our rights". It sounds so much better through a big PA, but you had to be there....

The speakers were a varied bunch all with a varied angle and brought up so many different things to think about, it was quite amazing how much the ACC changes will affect all NZ'ers, these speakers were great, cant quite explain in words reallly, you had to be there........

The bikers that did the organising and speaking, again shouting up for all bikers. Incredible passion in their words which is so hard to put down on paper, you really had to be there......

Mr Invisible, as Caseye said, everyone is entitled to an opinion. We turned up yesterday, made some noise, made a stand and promised to be back. My opinion is that it was humbling to be in amongst so much passion which could not be extiguished by some thing like lack of numbers. We came back and we are going back again. If you were there and witnesssed it then great, good onya and thanks. If you were not, well, these few words of mine may not make an impact to sway your viewpoint......you really had to be there.....

[riffer]

well well well.

What a fucking surprise.

So we let the unions take over the protest and make bikers look like they were just cover for a government bashing campaign. and then they fuck it up. Typical.

Feel like we're getting our voice heard now? Think we've fixed ACC yet? Think the Government will listen? Or maybe think that plonker Smith now knows no-one cares enough to complain.

There's a lesson in here. Never let the focus of your campaign be co-opted by others. Stay focused, stay on topic. The protest about fee hikes was legitimate. A multi-purpose mixed objective save ACC from the evil government campaign was dumb as a rock. Funnily enough, some people might have mentioned this earlier.

But hey, with thousands of brother unionists marching in unison, how could the evil Nats do anything but quail at the people's will unleashed. What could possibly go wrong?

Bwuhahaha.

You missed the point dude. This was never intended to be huge representation by motorcyclists at this one. In the end, yes, very disappointing the lack of show by the unionists; probably due mostly to it being a complicated message we were trying to push. Union members aren't too great on the multi-message thing.

Oh well, whatever, nevermind. Live and Learn. You do however have a good point about focus. I'm not daunted; I'll be continuing my efforts with BRONZ to look for new ways to keep the message going.