The "march for democracy" on queen street was disruptive, but did what in the end?Originally Posted by cowboyz
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The "march for democracy" on queen street was disruptive, but did what in the end?
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Rghto, Lets have a few hundred bikes doing laps through Wellington, once we have more mass then the traffic lights then the city will come to a standstill, afterwords we can just dissipate.
That will fuck em.
Personally I think that without the masses willing to do anything we should concentrate on biker issues, Perhaps the public are happy with the changes to ACC, They do at least seem to act that way.
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Hon Dr NICK SMITH: The message I take is that the public now well understands the reasons for the changes the Government is making to the scheme. The bikers today were taken for a bit of a ride by the unions. It was an ideological protest, led by those responsible for the scheme’s financial woes, against a pragmatic Government determined to make the scheme affordable and fair, and to secure it for the future.
Hm. Affordable? Fair? By whose standards? More expensive, with less cover doesn't seem to fit that bill. If the public was aware of, let alone understood, what was happening they would be a lot more active.
L-Plate Rider
Lots of people who belong to Unions heard nothing about this from their unions, even reps didn't hear about it. So I do think comms was an issue.
And agree that the messages were too complicated. It needs to stay simple so people understand how they are being screwed and keep to the bits they will emotionally respond to. It ain't about educating them, it is about letting them see what affects them:
- losing your holiday pay (and even Treasury say that is unjust)
- losing some of your cover and treatment
- higher levies out of your wages and regos when ACC is taking in far more than it spends already.
- we're going to end up having to sue each other again if this carries on.
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and the public will always support a group of bikes, no matter the reason. i remember last year, there were hundreds of joe q's on the overbridges, all excited simply cos we were bikes. hell, i went through otaki alone yesterday, and one small boy was just about waving his arm off, he was so excited, and i was just a solo bike. they may not understand, but they will back us. im sure of it.
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Kids are often like that.
And last year, we got plenty of support because even JoePublic could understand the raw deal we were working against. The problem is that what affects JoePublic personally, is very subtle and the effect(s) are not being given the highlights that 'our' levies were. The 'big drop' in the levy means that, as far as JoePublic ic concerned, there isn't a problem now, and we are unlikely to enjoy anything close to the support we did last year.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Just faidin away!
A few years ago we were all outraged by the activities of the Muslim terrorists and now it is just an everyday occurrence that nobody even barley thinks about!
It's called conditioning!
This government made their move, declared their intentions, rode out the initial reaction and waited for the conditioning to settle in and set the date for the next reaction wave!
That will be the date of the commencement for paying the levies, there will be a mini reaction and then it will all settle down to individual grizzling as each individual pays their levy!
Gradually these discontents will accumulate enough until there is a change of government and then (under MMP) it will all begin again with almost the same people back in coalition!
MMP only ensures that the politicians are safe in their jobs and between them "they" decide who and what coalition and will continue to do their own bidding rather than the bidding of the disenfranchised voters!
STV would at least make the politicians accountable to the voters rather than themselves, as they are now!
MMP provides us with nothing more than a "democratically elected dictatorship", finally chosen by the politicians themselves!
Spot the difference between any of the previous MMP coalitions, what have we gained or lost because of them and how many of them have ever been held accountable for their failures?
They just keep on coming back through the back door and the public conditioning process just keeps on keeping on, Nothing changes!
They are completely confidant that they can call the tune and predict how the mob will dance to "their" melody!
So, if we keep on doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result, we are living in nanna land, we have to find a new strategy with the ability to surprise and kick "them" out of their comfort zone!
L-Plate Rider
Another failed biker protest in Wellington. I think the definition of stupidity is continuing to do the same thing but expecting a different result. When have “polite”, “don’t upset the public” biker protests ever achieved anything – never.
The problem in Wellington is that those with the resources to organise protests are normally inefficient, overpaid public servants more worried about retaining their snouts in the public purse trough than “real protest”. They may get a warm fussy from yesterday but in reality they are just puppets for the Labour party.
A “Real Protest” could shut down Wellington very easily. Just need about 200 bikers, real bikers and not the pathetic “don’t upset the public mob”. A lot of opportunities have gone to waste, especially when about 6,000 bikers were available in Wellington last year.
Maybe I will come across some bikers with real balls at this weeks HOG Rally!
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Please explain. This was not a biker protest as such and what was a failure about the last one in Wellington?
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5th post, in the same vein. Not a single idea, other than 'disruption'. Not a single offer to do better. Not a single offer to help others in organising.
Criticism is useful, but not unaccompanied by alternative(s).
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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Thought i had to post this. Was just asked where i was yesterday. So spoke to my colleague about ACC, their proposals and the potential end game. Well, got as far as to say and they're looking at taking you holidays... when my colleague piped up with "hey look there's an indian couple arguing in the car park..." now that was dissapointing. But i guess it illustrates what many have said already. Noone knows, noone cares. I'll wait until the employee levies go through before I attempt to re-engage the office, because then they'll have proof that they're losing out when they look at their pay-slip.
I thouroughly enjoyed yesterday. The speakers were great, irrespective of the "give us your vote stuff and when we get back in blah blah blah"... as for the turnout, ha ha haaaa, is that the best the Unions can do... whilst i see that some of them are fighting for their own members... since when did their own members not have families, friends or clients that are going to also be affected... it was piss poor and it's an insult to the amount of hard work that must have gone on behind the scenes... enjoy the break Stones and thanks to all who have and are putting so much of themselves and their lives on hold to defend the rights of their fellow countrymen...
As far as peaceful disruption goes... we could have some fun with that... 200 nekkid bikers, well nearly nekkid, enough to not be arrested, walking through the streets, and i mean on the road, of (ANY/EVERY CITY) with
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- losing your holiday pay (and even Treasury say that is unjust)
- losing some of your cover and treatment
- higher levies out of your wages and regos when ACC is taking in far more than it spends already.
- we're going to end up having to sue each other again if this carries on.
written across your fronts/backs... That could be done anytime... might get a different kind of rise out of the public...
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Complying with the legal requirements to enter Parliaments grounds is far from being 'less than a biker' or having no balls as you claim
9,500 of us put in far more effort than you EVER will
As for finding more real bikers at the HOG rally, no offence to the HOG group but not a lot of those machines roll down the highway every day, and many never get wet beyond a wash in the driveway
Bet you think the guy that did the burnout on the Stadium damaging the valuable assett loaned to us by Westpac Stadium was a 'cool hardcore REAL biker' yet the coward has never fronted up to assist with the repairs
I ride my bike in ALL weather EVERY day through the rush hour traffic, I own 3 bikes and have been on no less than 6 protest actions...where the hell have YOU been mr macho?
Lets see YOU gather 200 'BIKERS' and shut the city down, put ya ass where ya mouth is... do that and you can rubbish the efforst we made so far but till you do, piss off.
Now I agree with the fact its time to take more disruptive action, and I will put myself and my bikes on the line to do so but your poo pooing of our efforts to date makes me sick... all noise I will bet
Just ride.
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I agree Mom and good to hear you are refreshed. StoneY great effort mate. It was great to be there and so good to see people voicing their right to speak up and to challenge what is being dished out to all bikers and those affected by the considerable changes at ACC levies and services. I for one have suffered so much because of thier denial to support my recovery.
Looking forward to the next one.
Down with bouncing!
Ive said it before and Ill say it again.
If you want to make a mark.. You have to do something distruptive. Revolt. Dont want to pay truimped up ACC levies on regos... then dont! But to get it to work youd need a very very large percentage of people not paying. That means that some would get late penality notices..., some fined, hell, some even arrested. The problem is with the commitment. Its fine thinking for thought is thoughts but doing? Ppl will just fold because no one wants to be that person who takes the brunt of it.
Imagine what would happen.. just for a minute if the biking community was actually united. If *everyone* said. Fine.. make your rules but we just arent paying. Fine me some more.. Not paying.. Arrest me. Fine.. its for the cause. and no one paid. Would the govt back down? Its a numbers game.. What was the last figures? 200,000 bikes? 6000 at parliment. It was an awesome day but all they had to do was get through a couple of tough days of name calling and being shouted at and they got what they wanted in the first place.
I absoutely realise this is being idealistic.. Ppl wont ban together because ppl dont care. Its as simple as that.
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On that note, John Key is scheduled to play golf in Napier on Saturday....anyone want to have a round?
As I see it, yesterday's protest was not a fail.
We said we'd be back, and we delivered!
We said we wouldn't go away, and we turned up again.
We said we weren't trout....we didn't forget that the country is being shafted.
How can that be a fail!
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