Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

[StoneY]

Hmmm, so you just threw "freedom of speech" out the window along with "freedom to choose" as well.

Your attitude reinforces my decision, you go your way, I'll go mine! Simple really, nothing more to discuss!

Your dead right there is nothing to discuss with people that have thier heads in the sand,

But YOU chose to come into this thread and make your grand statement of leftism vs rightism, which is totally MOOT to the issue at hand.
I dont care what party is in power, the fact is this government is RIPPING off the little guys to fleece the already huge fat cats pockets even more.....
If you aint on our side, why bother coming into this thread to make whats an obviously hostile statement.

You go your own way Olds by all means, but I will tell you right now 90% of this country back me and the protest, why? BECAUSE these issues MATTER more than left or right, is why.
Save our ACC, thats what it is about, not labour vs national or act vs maori pty...its about our rights and our lifestyle, and the principles of keeping your word.

[StoneY]

Fair enough. But ask yourself...do you want to pay more, and get less in return? Regardless of 'political beliefs' I think the answer to that question is crucial.

Thanks MSTRS well bloody put...wish I could compress a message that way LOL
(StoneY...stfu!)

[oldrider]

Fair enough. But ask yourself...do you want to pay more, and get less in return? Regardless of 'political beliefs' I think the answer to that question is crucial.

With all due respect, I have considered this from day one!

Your dead right there is nothing to discuss with people that have thier heads in the sand,

But YOU chose to come into this thread and make your grand statement of leftism vs rightism, which is totally MOOT to the issue at hand.
I dont care what party is in power, the fact is this government is RIPPING off the little guys to fleece the already huge fat cats pockets even more.....
If you aint on our side, why bother coming into this thread to make whats an obviously hostile statement.

You go your own way Olds by all means, but I will tell you right now 90% of this country back me and the protest, why? BECAUSE these issues MATTER more than left or right, is why.
Save our ACC, thats what it is about, not labour vs national or act vs maori pty...its about our rights and our lifestyle, and the principles of keeping your word.

"Your thread" heading says it all really.
You have gained 10 unions and lost me (do the maths) and you are loosing your cool over that!
I simply advised you that it was too politicaly unbalanced for me to stay on board and I will go my own way.
Apart from that nothing has changed!
Well, except that I now have a "red" bling from you for exercising my right of free speech!

[StoneY]

With all due respect, I have considered this from day one!


"Your thread" heading says it all really.
You have gained 10 unions and lost me (do the maths) and you are loosing your cool over that!
I simply advised you that it was too politicaly unbalanced for me to stay on board and I will go my own way.
Apart from that nothing has changed!
Well, except that I now have a "red" bling from you for exercising my right of free speech!

Hey your the one who wanted to make it a sides issue.
And red bling is my exoression fo free speech too, so just go find some posts to red rep of mine if you feel the need, I repped the content of the post not the person.
Its not left/right at all its about democracy and our rights and being ripped off for no good reason

[blackdog]

Looks good. Bring the rain... of bikers that is....

reign?.......

[blackdog]

Hmmm, so you just threw "freedom of speech" out the window along with "freedom to choose" as well.

Your attitude reinforces my decision, you go your way, I'll go mine! Simple really, nothing more to discuss!

the whole point of any rally/protest is freedom of speech??!!
throw yourself out the window

[Murray]

No dont do that, he might hurt himself and go on ACC. It is not a left/right issue it is an issue that affects all bikers

[yungatart]

No dont do that, he might hurt himself and go on ACC. It is not a left/right issue it is an issue that affects all bikers

Actually, it affects all New Zealanders, whether they ride a motorcycle or not...it was waaaay bigger than bikers.....

[blackdog]

Actually, it affects all New Zealanders, whether they ride a motorcycle or not...it was waaaay bigger than bikers.....

it IS "way bigger........"

[P38]

Todays Dom Post contained a letter to the Editor supposedly from Dr Jan White, CEO ACC.

This letter was in response to a story the Dom post had run a few weeks ago.

The letter simply regurgitates the same old tired shit about how much Motorcyclists are costing Motorists and how broke ACC is etc etc....

My first thought when reading this was "Since when does the CEO of a Major Corporation respond to a Letter to an Editor of a regional newspaper".

Has this ever happened before?

Dont they have Plebs or Lackies to do the dirty work for them anymore?

Seems to me ACC is getting a bit uncomfortable with the pressure being bought to bear on it.

I also see John Key is about to announce a reshuffle of his cabinet, coincidently Nick Smith is facing a $15,000,000 defamation case.

Are the cracks starting to appear in this National Government?

Only way to tell for sure is to keep up the pressure......

See you all in Wellywood on the 16th.

[riffer]

Trust me oldrider, it's bloody hard to get any right-wing or even centrist representation against this ACC thing, as most righties seem to be on the government's side. Despite my political tendencies I've aligned myself with this protest as it's against the changes to ACC. A number of others felt the same way when the bikers "aligned" themselves with Labour and the Greens at the last rally. It's time to put away our political enmities and concentrate on the bigger issue - our country's future. We all know that Labour would have probably done the same thing as the Nats, so let's drop the left vs right thing okay?

[RiderInBlack]

All Oldrider's Posts have done is make me wish I could get there myself even more. Too bad my roister this time doesn't help. Getting from Whangarei to Wellington is a bit of a mission. Hope it all goes well because as an Orthopaedic Nurse I'm not looking forward to having to deal patients without ACC as it is now.
"No Faults ACC" = No Judgment about how I care for my patients, or how much care I give, or whether they can afford it.
Think carefully about that as you get older and have fractures more easily with less income to pay for the surgery that you will need for it, as you are lying in pain, waiting for the Ambo to check out your medical insurance to see if they will cover you.

[P38]

I want all riders to just show up in individual groups, marshals to park em up, and you know, if Molesworth St ends up blocked by bikes...I dont care (hint hint)

I can hear Wellingtons parking wardens rubbing their hands together with glee dreaming of all the parking infringement notices they could write up ........................... Montly bonuses will be achieved, Ipods and Trips away will be earned.

I'm in two minds at this stage
One says becareful where you park,
The other says Fuck Em I'll park exactly where I bloody want too.

Probally decide on the day and park according to the conditions ....

[oldrider]

Hey your the one who wanted to make it a sides issue.
And red bling is my exoression fo free speech too, so just go find some posts to red rep of mine if you feel the need, I repped the content of the post not the person.
Its not left/right at all its about democracy and our rights and being ripped off for no good reason

The red bling is of no consequence, lets focus on the issues, correct me if I am wrong!

The issue is about reintroduction of a "State controlled monopoly ACC welfare (Woodhouse model) system".

Rather than.

The introduction of "Private competative ACC insurance" and the probable phasing out of the current "State monopoly ACC insurance system"!

From it's beginning ACC has endured abuse from both governments and claimants, to the detriment of the origional Woodhouse concept.

ACC has now reached it's current status of a "State controlled monopoly insurance company" that is wielding outrageous costs on an undeserving taxpaying public with no altrenatives!

The action is to support the reintroduction of the original Woodhouse ACC system!

I believe that the action is now becoming more focussed upon the reinstatement of a Labour lead government and the removal of the current government, rather than focussing on the issue at hand.

I believe that "all" governments have contributed to the current situation and simply replacing one for another will only exacerbate the problem, not remedy it!

I felt I should make my position clear, I support the issue but not the "apparent" political direction being pursued by the action.

[bogan]

not at all, the action is focused on the removal of the future funding scheme and dropping the levy hikes. The nature of politicing seems to mean the opposition will use this as an excuse to put the boot in to national and try and get support from us, whats wrong with that? (apart from the petty nature of politics, but thats all we have to work with)