The joys of doing a runner

**IdunBrokdItAgin** · 16th January 2010, 22:41

Originally Posted by MD

Oh and those trying to blame the cops and saying, oh thay claim to have ceased chasing, it's their fault, get real. Any dick that does above 70kph down that stretch of J/ville deserves to be pursued and caught. Bloody insane behaviour with a probabilty of killing someone about the same as the chance of wind in Wellington.

Damn right!

I don't care who he is or how many people he left behind crying because of losing him. I live in Johnsonville and Regularly cross that road on foot most days as do a lot of people. Anyone who drives through Johnsonville can tell you how busy that main road is (and pedestrians don't just cross at the two crossings - it is all the way along the stretch).

The prick was selfish trying to do a runner - as soon as he would have entered that section, from the roundabout, he would have realised that it was a highly dense foot traffic area and still decided that his not getting caught was more important than anything else.

I'm just glad that nobody else got hurt, I don't really care about someone that selfish as they obviously wouldn't care about anyone else.

**davebullet** · 16th January 2010, 22:49

Originally Posted by MD

Will be interesting to hear what circumstances come out in time e.g. was he high as a kite

For a short time, yes.

**oldrider** · 16th January 2010, 22:59

Originally Posted by Lucy

In India you are quite likely to get bashed to death by upset bystanders if you hit someone with a vehicle. Check out youtube for some amazing intersection driving 'madness'. (quote marks cos it looks mad, but no-one gets hit)

It always fascinates me how people like in those clips of Indian intersections go about their business without all the rules traffic lights ETC relatively incident free!

Is it because they are personally responsible for themselves getting to where they are going and that the cost of failure to do so is far higher than in NZ? (No welfare state or ACC welfare to pick up the pieces for them, probably no insurance of any sort)

Observing people behaviour in overseas crowded countries, it became obvious that if you swapped all the people in one place over there with New Zealanders for just a moment, it would break down in utter chaos immediately!

New Zealand attitudes are really pathetically arrogant and if everyone was like that in "crowded" countries nobody would ever get anywhere!

I learned more about my own behaviour over there and was embarrassed and humbled on many an occasion and had to learn to fit in and go with the flow or go nowhere, it did me a lot of good and I am mild compared to the average New Zealander.

We really are impatient arrogant arseholes the way we behave toward one another, especially on our roads and the way we drive our vehicles.

NZ has too many rules, too many welfare escape routes, too many insurance escapes, too many bloody lawyers, too many soft judges, an ineffective and sometimes corrupt corrections department, too few police, too many useless politicians and a socialist government!

We do however have some lovely scenery to look at while we continue to shit in our own backyard!

**Lucy** · 16th January 2010, 23:24

Originally Posted by oldrider

It always fascinates me how people like in those clips of Indian intersections go about their business without all the rules traffic lights ETC relatively incident free!

Is it because they are personally responsible for themselves getting to where they are going and that the cost of failure to do so is far higher than in NZ? (No welfare state or ACC welfare to pick up the pieces for them, probably no insurance of any sort)

New Zealand attitudes are really pathetically arrogant and if everyone was like that in "crowded" countries nobody would ever get anywhere!

I think a lot is to do with that yes, and especially the crowds. As you say, no-one would get anywhere if they all waited for a Kiwi sized gap. I was amazed when I was there how a bus would force an oncoming car onto the shoulder if they were passing a cow etc. But, the fact that there was room on the shoulder meant there was room for all to pass. No-one got mad or seemed shocked, there was room, what's the problem?

We've had the luxury of having plenty of room, and it's foreign to us to drive/ride/push a rickshaw in those conditions. Interestingly though, it's the opposite on our ski slopes. With all North Island skiers being restricted to two fields, we ski/board a lot closer and faster to each other than people from Europe (who are used to massive resorts) are used to. I've heard a few shocked complaints from people about how they aren't used to being crowded and skied so close to them it freaks them out. Sounds like a very similar scenario to us driving in crowded countries eh?

**Skyryder** · 16th January 2010, 23:36

Someone died for nothing.

Skyryder

**Lucy** · 16th January 2010, 23:45

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Someone died for nothing.

Skyryder

Most people die for nothing.

**festus** · 17th January 2010, 00:26

Well I've read enough.

To those that offered their condolences good on ya.!

To those that have been running down this guy for what he did, saying he deserved everything he got yadda yadda yadda, you're a pack of fuckwits........none of you knew the guy, know the circumstances around what happened, so shouldn't be passing judgement so quickly.

That's the thing about this site, so many fuckwits, probably why I don't call in as often, unlike those with several thousand posts to their names and nothing better to do with your time but to run people down and dribble bullshit.........I have a life

**scumdog** · 17th January 2010, 00:32

Originally Posted by festus

Well I've read enough.

To those that offered their condolences good on ya.!

To those that have been running down this guy for what he did, saying he deserved everything he got yadda yadda yadda, you're a pack of fuckwits........none of you knew the guy, know the circumstances around what happened, so shouldn't be passing judgement so quickly.

That's the thing about this site, so many fuckwits, probably why I don't call in as often, unlike those with several thousand posts to their names and nothing better to do with your time but to run people down and dribble bullshit.........I have a life

Nice rant - I hope you enjoy life......

(Oh, and passing 'judgement' on this case wasn't hard - you got some logical reason why this idiot rode as he did and a reason why he is above criticism?)

**festus** · 17th January 2010, 07:37

Originally Posted by scumdog

Nice rant - I hope you enjoy life......

(Oh, and passing 'judgement' on this case wasn't hard - you got some logical reason why this idiot rode as he did and a reason why he is above criticism?)

People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.

As for ranting, fuck me 9400 odd posts to your sorry ass, you've done a shitload of ranting on here yourself mate!

**Kendog** · 17th January 2010, 07:56

Originally Posted by festus

To those that have been running down this guy for what he did, saying he deserved everything he got yadda yadda yadda, you're a pack of fuckwits........none of you knew the guy, know the circumstances around what happened, so shouldn't be passing judgement so quickly.

Originally Posted by festus

People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.

I live in Newlands, I am in Johnsonville often.
That guy risked my life, my wife's life and the lives of many others.

Calling him an idiot is more than fair in my view.

**Fatjim** · 17th January 2010, 08:00

I think the point here was KD that we pretty much know squat, which is the typical sum truth that you get in the media in NZ.

**Nasty** · 17th January 2010, 08:01

Originally Posted by scumdog

Nice rant - I hope you enjoy life......

(Oh, and passing 'judgement' on this case wasn't hard - you got some logical reason why this idiot rode as he did and a reason why he is above criticism?)

Originally Posted by festus

People on here 'pass judgement' too quickly on someone they don't even know. Now this guy is dead, and fuckwits like you calling him an idiot is fucked up!.

As for ranting, fuck me 9400 odd posts to your sorry ass, you've done a shitload of ranting on here yourself mate!

And yet you didn't answer the question .... its not about people having posts on this site ... its not about them expressing a view on someone who died in an accident ... its that the person who died risked so many other lives in doing the stupid things he did ... he broke the law - decided to run ... and in doing so killed himself ... I guess we are lucky that he didn't take any of us with him.

**Kendog** · 17th January 2010, 08:22

Originally Posted by Fatjim

I think the point here was KD that we pretty much know squat, which is the typical sum truth that you get in the media in NZ.

I agree we don't know all the facts, but I honestly believe there is nothing in this event that could come close to justifying what he did.

**Fatjim** · 17th January 2010, 10:17

KD, its not that we don't know all the facts. All we really know is that a guy died, and that the cops chased him on the motorway. Once the cops lost sight of him (as soon as he left the motorway), the facts are at the descretion of the media. We seem to be judging him on what he did once the burger fuel employee unit standard of motorcycle speed measurement was used. And for crying out loud, I ride bikes and I can't tell how fast a bike is going when I'm eating a burger.

My point is, every time we read something in the papers on a subject we have personal experience on why see the bullshit flowing from the pages. We all know that facts do not get in the way of the story in NZ papers. Why treat this story with any more credence than any other?

I'm not going to judge the guy on something most of us have done to one degree or another, and certainly not untill the facts are in.

Also, Jim2 hit a nail on the head for me. If the cops lost sight of him getting off the motorway, why was he still going hell for leather at the end of the Newlans road he died on. The newspaper account doesn't add up. There's more to this story.

Oh, and btw, next time your reminising about the last time you did 200+kph out the back of Martinborough, just think what the farmers and their wives where thinking about you? Not many of us are blameless, just not unlucky. (Does that make sense?)