North Shore: Northern Motorway: Police targeting motorcycles (25 January)

[p.dath]

As a matter of interested, does anyone actually have access to a case law database to see what case law there is on lane splitting?

[YellowDog]

I was heading up SH1 this am and was suprised to find speed cops in new hiding places.

If you miss the shift change times you really do have to be careful.

[BoristheBiter]

oh baby, i love it when you get so angry. Oooooh yeah!



road code isn't a legal document.

I knew you would. it's all for you RM

the road code is not but it tells you what is or isn't legal.

[boostin]

I do. The problem being what to search for? I doubt 'lane splitting' would be used in a reported case.

[Big Dave]

I've been ticketed for 'not use designated lane' a couple of times.

Hey - if you don't like the way I ride - stay off the footpath.

[MSTRS:Me]

Resepctfully - that only highlights a few cops not being good people, or possibly being forced to work to rule by others. I agree with Mully on this one. They tend to meet like with like. You get pulled over (for whatever reason) and you get aggro - expect them escalate the tensions as well. Talk to them a reasonable people - and you'll generally get the same in return.

There are a few exceptions to the rule as with any group of course but in my dealings with the cops over the years I've yet to fault them in their handling of the situation. One was a bit of a smart arse while he was ticketting me, but he got the facts right and I had indeed done the crime I was accused of

Probably several. But how many here (not that they'd admit it) have been let off doing 111km/h on a sunny day and empty straight road?

Or how many have been ticketed for the 111km/h but let off on the expired rego or, in actual fact, the 141km/h (wherein they'd be walking for at least 28 days)?

The only time I've personally seen people get pinged for every single thing under the sun that they could get pinged for was when they failed the Attitude Test (tm).

Yeah, guys. I know what you mean.
What I'm saying is that there must be an awful lot of 'bastard cops', if you use the ticket for 111kph as an example. And sure, plenty get away with that speed (and much more), with just a flash of the cops headlights and a parental fingerwave, perhaps, so that you know he's seen you...but those that do get pulled, don't get away with it, despite any 'attitude test'.

[BoristheBiter]

Give 'em any title you like. I still stand by what I said. These people do not make the law. They are there to enforce it. A dislike of (m/c for instance) is not grounds for targeting them for stuff which is not against the law.

"Sharing"...as in beside the other vehicle whilst passing it. Within the same lane, to the right of that vehicle, but to the left of the rightside lane marking.
As for your name calling of me...where do you get off? FYI there IS NO LAW AGAINST LANESPLITTING. So any cop (or Inspector prick) who targets all instances of lanesplitting saying it's illegal etc is not doing their job Which is to enforce the law. Not make up new ones to suit themselves.

Now that is illegal.

If you don't like me calling you names don't call anyone else.
if you call cops pricks,then expect someone to take offence, if you don't like it then shut up.

[SPman]

Although many years ago a Sgt retired who had many years of service in the Police Assn, and was asked if he would do anything differently if he had the chance.
His reply was something along the lines of having a lobotomy and coming back as an Inspector.

It certainly seems the higher up the promotion scale you go, the more politics rule your decisions to the detriment of what actually happens in the outside world......

[BoristheBiter]

As a matter of interested, does anyone actually have access to a case law database to see what case law there is on lane splitting?

just spoke to motorways unit.
It is illeagle to lane split and depending on how you do it depends on what you can be charged with ie unsafe lane change to dangerous.
normaly if is frowned upon but not enforced. if there is an accident while lane splitting it is the bikes fault always.

I think that if they give you a warning just leave it at that.

[SPman]

Probably several. But how many here (not that they'd admit it) have been let off doing 111km/h on a sunny day and empty straight road?

Or how many have been ticketed for the 111km/h but let off on the expired rego or, in actual fact, the 141km/h (wherein they'd be walking for at least 28 days)?

The only time I've personally seen people get pinged for every single thing under the sun that they could get pinged for was when they failed the Attitude Test (tm).

I've been ticketed for every offence I've been pulled over for...ticketed in good humour, often, but ticketed, nonetheless. Except for the 60 in a 50 zone I was pulled for (East Coast Rd, Castor Bay), 2 days before I moved to Aussie! (I guess he could see the pointlessness of that one)
I've always thought I had a pleasant, firm, non confrontational attitude - perhaps I should try grovelling next time instead of treating them as people.....

[Swoop]

It is illeagle

American native birds are unwell?

[p.dath]

I do. The problem being what to search for? I doubt 'lane splitting' would be used in a reported case.

I found a database here:
http://www.nzlii.org/databases.html#nz_cases
And have searched all over it. I can't find any legal precedents relating to lane splitting. I might try searching again tonight on potential charges.

There are only two appealed "unsafe lane change" charges I can even find, and neither relate to a motorcycle. All the "motorcycle" ones seem to do with disputes over defects in motorcycles when purchased.

just spoke to motorways unit.
It is illeagle to lane split and depending on how you do it depends on what you can be charged with ie unsafe lane change to dangerous.
normaly if is frowned upon but not enforced. if there is an accident while lane splitting it is the bikes fault always.

I think that if they give you a warning just leave it at that.

I would like to know why they think it is illegal. I've seen no acts of parliament to suggest this is the case (refer to the Wiki if you want to read them yourself). I'm going to read up on the charge of "unsafe lane change".

[MSTRS:Me]

just spoke to motorways unit.
It is illeagle to lane split and depending on how you do it depends on what you can be charged with ie unsafe lane change to dangerous.
normaly if is frowned upon but not enforced. if there is an accident while lane splitting it is the bikes fault always.

I think that if they give you a warning just leave it at that.

The subject of lanesplitting has been done over and over on KB. THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST IT!!!!! Show us the law that says it is illegal. Doesn't exist.
There are certain parameters one needs to stay within, else it becomes careless or dangerous (as a charge). Done 'correctly', it is not illegal.
And I referred to a nameless entity in the police as a prick for making up his own rules as to what is legal or not. I did not go all Rambo on your arse because you seem to be 'one of them'...

[Mully]

What I'm saying is that there must be an awful lot of 'bastard cops', if you use the ticket for 111kph as an example. And sure, plenty get away with that speed (and much more), with just a flash of the cops headlights and a parental fingerwave, perhaps, so that you know he's seen you...but those that do get pulled, don't get away with it, despite any 'attitude test'.

I think we're getting into the "quota" territory now. If I'm doing 111km/h and happen to get caught, well that's my bad luck. Unfortunately, the quota system often interferes with the "descretion" system - which TBH, is probably where a lot of the cop's respect has gone - draconian enforcement of the letter of the law as dictated by their masters.

My point was some people that get pulled for 111km/h also get away with no Reg/WOF with a "warning" if they pass the test. Then they come on KB and bitch about the "unfair bastard" cop who just let them off an additional $400 worth of fines.

The subject of lanesplitting has been done over and over on KB. THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST IT!!!!! Show us the law that says it is illegal. Doesn't exist.
There are certain parameters one needs to stay within, else it becomes careless or dangerous (as a charge).

Yay!! A lanesplitting thread. Never had one of them before.

Can we please have a "waving" thread next?

[BoristheBiter]

The subject of lanesplitting has been done over and over on KB. THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST IT!!!!! Show us the law that says it is illegal. Doesn't exist.
There are certain parameters one needs to stay within, else it becomes careless or dangerous (as a charge). Done 'correctly', it is not illegal.
And I referred to a nameless entity in the police as a prick for making up his own rules as to what is legal or not. I did not go all Rambo on your arse because you seem to be 'one of them'...

OK again we are talking symantics.
As above you are ticketed for an unsafe lane change, undertaking, dangerous or what ever the cop saw you do not for lane splitting.