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    NZ Motorcycle Safety Council

    I think like most motorcyclists, safety has always been at the top of mind, but accidents were something that happened to other people and fatalities were something I read about. Until December when I watched a good man die on the side of the road, then it all became very, very real.

    At that point it would have been easy to change the way I rode, and maybe get a bit spooked, but the thing that struck me was that Ewan's death was completely unnecessary. If he had done things differently on the day, and maybe if the road had been designed differently he'd still be alive today and his wife Seona wouldn't have had to suffer the loss of her true love.

    About the same time Our Masters Who Art in Wellington were stinging us with increased ACC levies because we ride those howwid and dweadfully dangewous motorbikes and Slippery Nick had (very kindly) agreed to spend around $3m on replicating the Victorian motorcycle safety model - which is impossible with that budget and who said we wanted it anyway?

    It dawned on me that there is no organisation in NZ that is solely focussed on motorcycle safety. BRONZ have done a sterling job with the ACC levies and are committed to safety, but their focus is more on activism and lobbying for biker rights (or so I gather). We have groups like the ACC, the NZTA and the Police who are all engaged in developing, implementing and enforcing safety strategies, but it's all very prescriptive - "this is what you should do and we're gonna make you do it". I don't have a problem with their motives, and I am probably more into bike safety than any of them, but I have a problem with being told what's good for me.


    I figured that an organisation consisting of (mostly) motorcyclists that worked with and included the ACC, the NZTA, the Police, local government, roading etc would be a good starting point. An organisation that had a strong research dimension, so we know what we're talking about and most importantly an organisation consisting of people who were passionate about bikes and riding the bloody things might just be able to suggest ideas that would work without being unenforceable, ridiculous or just plain flawed. I figured such an organisation might just make our lives safer and easier.

    So I asked a few people what they thought, and last Sunday the NZ Motorcycle Safety Council was formed. On our steering committee are trainers (Mike Flowers and Karel Pavich), dealers, bike cops, reps from the ACC, the NZTA and the Christchurch City Council as well as David Golightly (insurance man) and Charley Lamb providing the intellectual grunt. ACC are excited and want to support us, as are the Police and the NZTA, and the Council have made available resources and a staff member and want us to participate in the road safety forums including having input into the roads in Banks Peninsula.

    Our first priority is to find out what safety initiatives currently underway and provide a central clearing house where information on what is being done can be recorded and disseminated and we are communicating with the NZTA etc to find out what they're planning to do, what they're doing and what we can do to be a part of the process. We also want to find out what other groups, organisations and individuals in the motorcycle community are doing and how we can support them.

    Anything else we should be doing? Any suggestions on what we should do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    Anything else we should be doing? Any suggestions on what we should do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R6_kid View Post
    Go Nationwide, and keep on doing what you're doing.
    Thanks. Yeah, that is the intention.
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    Good on you for organising this. Definately needed bikers having a say in biker safety.

    Please don't "make" us wear hi-viz
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    Already there, but by all means approach your local EDIT: Roadsafety and Polce Group, they'd appreciate the inputl

    I joined a local group that started up last year consisting of concerned motorcyclists, Dealerships, ACC and NZ Police, it was early days and we that started up for the same reasons, and there are projects underway, where they're at I won't know till next meeting.

    I believe there may be something similar in Auckland, but not sure on that one, and I believe that Katman was looking into starting something similar in Taupo, as the budgets and info available are regional
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bounce001 View Post
    Please don't "make" us wear hi-viz
    I thought you had to either ride a BMW or a Honda CB250 to wear high viz?

    That's one of the reasons we've formed - to avoid well meaning attempts to impose safe practices on us. International research shows that high vis has limited benefit and that there are a great many better things to do. Also every item of research I have read is clear that car driver do see us, they just choose (subconciously) not to change their behaviour. There's a reason 1%ers very rarely get skittled by cars whereas scooters and commuters experience it all the time.
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    Get a website!
    Best is one that can be easily updated by the right peoples.

    Also start looking to overseas there is a lot of research done in Europe that does not get much visibility over here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.W View Post
    Already there, but by all means approach your local EDIT: Roadsafety and Polce Group, they'd appreciate the inputl

    I joined a local group that started up last year consisting of concerned motorcyclists, Dealerships, ACC and NZ Police, it was early days and we that started up for the same reasons, and there are projects underway, where they're at I won't know till next meeting
    That's interesting - we need to communicate and work together to avoid reinventing the wheel. One of our primary objectives is to find out what else is happening out there so we work together towards a common goal rather than all doing our own thing. PM me and I'll get in touch later on - I'm off to a meeting with the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XP@ View Post
    Get a website!
    Best is one that can be easily updated by the right peoples.

    Also start looking to overseas there is a lot of research done in Europe that does not get much visibility over here.
    A website is being built even as we speak and you're right, there is a lot of good stuff coming from Europe. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    That's interesting - we need to communicate and work together to avoid reinventing the wheel. One of our primary objectives is to find out what else is happening out there so we work together towards a common goal rather than all doing our own thing. PM me and I'll get in touch later on - I'm off to a meeting with the police.
    Agreed, everything is regional, as in ACC, info, budgets and Police. No point working on a solution that has a problem in one particular area, where there is none in another, but yes I agree the info should be shared - particularly regarding big generic initiatives, and I have some good people - role models that are keen to give us a hand

    Good luck with your meeting!!
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    Excellent work, Two questions
    1) How do I sign up
    2) What can BRONZ Wellington do to help / participate.

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    Sounds good, but don't start slagging off and denigrating the Police, ACC, and other organisations (as a prominent member of BRONZ on here is so wont to do), work with them, discuss issues, and maintain your credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    So I asked a few people what they thought, and last Sunday the NZ Motorcycle Safety Council was formed. ...

    Anything else we should be doing? Any suggestions on what we should do?
    Nice work. Suggestions? Don't get greedy and be realistic with proposals. For example, it's one thing to change our roads with better surfaces but realistically you have to prove it will save money or cost the same. Just making "safety" suggestions for the sake of throwing your weight around and keeping in the public eye, isn't going to achieve anything.

    It's like what I heard today...the cancer society saying drivers should wear gloves because there's no UV protection from the windscreen!!!

    Hopefully you get some changes made

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    Excellent work, Two questions
    1) How do I sign up
    2) What can BRONZ Wellington do to help / participate.
    At this stage my thoughts are that there is unlikely to be general/public membership, but clubs and organisations like BRONZ will have membership, so to be a part of what we're doing join BRONZ (or Ulysses, MNZ, TOMCC etc). The rationale behind that is we don't want to compete with anyone for members/support, but rather want to support clubs and organisations and encourage membership in them.

    BRONZ are important to what we're planning, and I will be in touch.

    Quote Originally Posted by red mermaid View Post
    Sounds good, but don't start slagging off and denigrating the Police, ACC, and other organisations (as a prominent member of BRONZ on here is so wont to do), work with them, discuss issues, and maintain your credibility.
    Hell no. We want to work with the Police, ACC etc, because we want to be a part of their planning and decision making processes so our issues and interests are sought out and valued. I believe it is time motorcyclists influenced the decisions that affect us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckai View Post
    Nice work. Suggestions? Don't get greedy and be realistic with proposals. For example, it's one thing to change our roads with better surfaces but realistically you have to prove it will save money or cost the same. Just making "safety" suggestions for the sake of throwing your weight around and keeping in the public eye, isn't going to achieve anything.

    It's like what I heard today...the cancer society saying drivers should wear gloves because there's no UV protection from the windscreen!!!

    Hopefully you get some changes made
    Thanks, good advice. There's a saying - how do you eat an elephant? Answer - one bite at a time
    Don't blame me, I voted Green.

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