Highway 75 ChCh - Speed trap - Thanks and get f***ked

**JellyBellyKelly** · 31st January 2010, 20:43

there are definately nice bikers, and some arrogant arses!!!
was coming home from a rally this morning, and some of the stupid f**kers overtaking me (on a 225 so wasn't too hard) on blind corners - some of them weren't mucking around either... gotta wonder how some of them are still alive. i certainly don't want to watch a head on crash happen right in front of me - about just as much as i'd want to be in one

**Oakie** · 31st January 2010, 21:20

Originally Posted by Molly

OK. Well, you're all obviously from a generation that couldn't give two f***s for anybody but yourselves.

Same could be said about people who exceed the posted speed limit. How fast were you going anyway? Having said that though, yeah,I probably would have warned you unless you were doing some real dumb stuff.

**Mikkel** · 31st January 2010, 21:48

Originally Posted by rumgirl

there are definately nice bikers, and some arrogant arses!!!
was coming home from a rally this morning, and some of the stupid f**kers overtaking me (on a 225 so wasn't too hard) on blind corners - some of them weren't mucking around either... gotta wonder how some of them are still alive. i certainly don't want to watch a head on crash happen right in front of me - about just as much as i'd want to be in one

...coming home from a rally in the morning - there will be plenty of folks with a blood alcohol level well above the legal limits too.

Originally Posted by Oakie

Same could be said about people who exceed the posted speed limit. How fast were you going anyway? Having said that though, yeah,I probably would have warned you unless you were doing some real dumb stuff.

Plenty of traffic on the Akaroa highway in the weekend. Plenty of people doing silly stuff too. Ergo, plenty of police along the Akaroa highway - it can't be a surprise really. They move around too. For how many kms after passing a speedo cop should you be signalling oncoming traffic anyway?

**gatch** · 31st January 2010, 22:06

Originally Posted by Molly

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

Lol !

"Nobody aided me in my law breaking".

The fuckin pricks !

**PrincessBandit** · 31st January 2010, 22:30

I used to do the ole "flash the lights" to warn other road users about traffic cops up ahead - when I was young (all those years ago) and I thought it was cool to do. Now I'm just a grumpy old tart who doesn't do it any more. When I do exceed the speed limit I don't call the waaaaaambulance when I get ticketed, nor would I pack a sad at other motorists for failing to warn me.

**Ixion** · 31st January 2010, 22:53

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

**FlangMasterJ** · 31st January 2010, 23:12

Originally Posted by Molly

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves.

If you're speeding you're obviously not giving two f&#cks about the other vehicles on the road.

**Berries** · 31st January 2010, 23:13

I don't flash cars. If I am in the work truck I'll flash sports bikes just in case they are going for it but in the end, if you can't spot the cop you aren't going to spot any multitude of other things that might jump out and get you. Back in the UK we had a different hand signal to warn of Police cars, imitating the old style flashing light, but not sure if it is recognised here or whether I'd just look like a dick with a disco fetish.

Anyroad, was out with a cop once and someone flashed him. He put a question to me. What if the person who gets flashed is a serial speedster, banned before, is sitting on 90 points, gets away with this one because you flashed him and he slowed down, and then somewhere down the line he loses it while speeding and takes someone out. Would you be happy that by flashing him you let him get away from being nicked this time and pretty much let him go on to kill/maim someone ? Obviously a staunch traffic cop but it does make you think.

On my bike I don't flash anyone. Lights are hardwired on so it feels pointless.

EDIT - A Police "trap" is not a hazard. It is not a diesel spill, or gravel on the road, or a flock of sheep, or something that may make you crash. it is a only a hazard if you are exceeding the speed limit, which is obviously very naughty and none of us do it.

**Ixion** · 1st February 2010, 00:17

EDIT - A Police "trap" is not a hazard. It is not a diesel spill, or gravel on the road, or a flock of sheep, or something that may make you crash. it is a only a hazard if you are exceeding the speed limit, which is obviously very naughty and none of us do it.

Ah but a trap would be very illegal. Called entrapment and sufficient to strike out a prosecution. And as we are assured that our police have no quotas and are unitetested on revenue, we may conclude that where we see a police presence it must be because there is some hazard. And since the police ( they assure us ) are only interested in safety, they must on logic support anything that cautions riders to be careful.

I am sure that you would not wish to argue that the police are only interested in handing out tickets.

I would deny the name of biker to any rider who wilfully thus neglected his duty to his fellow riders. Those are the weekend warriors, whose interest in motorcycling is restricted to apearance and thrills. Beneath contempt.

**helenoftroy** · 1st February 2010, 01:12

Originally Posted by Genie

what is a speed trap??? A cop waiting with his camera? Well, you shouldn't speed and if you choose to you should be prepared to suffer the consquences.

Originally Posted by McWild

Thanks mum!

Ditto!!

WTF!!

**Gareth123** · 1st February 2010, 02:05

Originally Posted by Ixion

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

Bloody hell, people get upset cos they don't get waved at. I'd put money on it that if someone didn't get waved at, instead of thinking "Shit I better slow down, something ahead!" They'll be thinking "That bastard didn't wave at me! What a cunt!"

Unless we come up with a set of specific waves for certain upcoming conditions I think we should all take responsibility for our own riding.

If anyone sees a red GL145 flying around Christchurch and Rangiora, feel free not to warn me of upcoming hazards such as speed traps. I'll take the ticket and I promise not to moan about it. If there's other hazards about I'll deal with those too by keeping my eyes open and watching the road ahead of me.

**shafty** · 1st February 2010, 03:03

The worlds a bit rooted when you don't take the time to pre warn a fellow Biker of a speed trap ahead - it might just be a matter of 5 km's to be scrubbed off to save him hassle - for example on a deserted country road. I don't condone crazy speeds on the road such as displayed on youtube - but c'mon Guys and Girls where's the commaraderie we share at Rally's?

**koba** · 1st February 2010, 06:26

Originally Posted by Molly

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

No, I kind of think the expectation you seem to have that everyone else is there to warn you of impending speed traps is an example of really quite selfish behaviour.

If you are speeding YOU are the one breaking the law, while I'm not one to judge (and I'm not in a position to do so!) I would like to point out that such acts can be construed as not giving two fucks about other road users.

What if next time it isn't a speed trap but is a cow on a blind bend?

So all of a sudden a person is not decent for failing in their duties as your personal police warning?

**awayatc** · 1st February 2010, 06:57

a cow doesn't lie in ambush to jump you on purpose..........
The brainwashing has apparently worked well on some "bikers"on this forum......speeding is naughty and bad and deserves a fine...
Bet you were the telling the teacher type.....
Next time I stop to help broken down biker or cager, I will ask about speeding/warning attitudes first , since
it appears that some of you on here are so full of yourselves that you don't need help....
or are way beyond help..... sad