Highway 75 ChCh - Speed trap - Thanks and get f***ked

[Oakie]

As an aside, my boss was telling me this morning that they went for a drive to Akaroa on Sunday. Saw a biker coming towards them a few hundred metres away and then noticed the 4WD behind them pull out to pass which eventually forced the biker to move to the side of the road to accommodate the end of the 4WDers passing manouevre. At that very moment Mr Plod leaps from his place of concealment up the road and waves down the 4WDer with a very stern look on his face. Just so you know that the cops aren't necessarily against us.

[mashman]

It used to carry a charge something along the lines of 'behaviour likely to cause a distraction to other motorists'. Never heard of anyone being charged with it though.

I guess: aiding and abetting

[Str8 Jacket]

Well done young man!!!! Take a prize.

Thanks lady.....

[Molly]

What this comes down to is: Should bikers warn each other of oncoming speed traps? Nothing else.

OK, it's a different story when it's a booze bus (pissed drivers deserve all they get) or the speed trap is outside a school (where it's a safety matter and anybody speeding is a prick) compared to a stretch of country road where it's easy pickings and more about revenue gathering than safety. Also, as it happens I wasn't pissing along and risking other road users' lives at some breakneck speed, but, that said, there isn't one of us that hasn't slipped over the limit when out enjoying a quiet country road. In that situation you'd appreciate a warning from another road user. In the mean time quit your sanctimonious bullshit and start to consider looking out for each other.

Oh, and finally, if I'd have been pinged I'd have been pissed off but would've paid the bill and accepted it.

[Str8 Jacket]

So are we going to instigate a 'special signal' to show others that you are not pissed, just speeding so its OK to warn me about something I should be looking out for myself?
At the end of the day you got caught, we all do at some stage and at some stage you have to take responsibility for yourself....

[The Everlasting]

That sucks,I would always give a warning if there's cops ahead!!

..and i would expect the same in return,if I'm in the cage I'll flash my lights.

[Molly]

So are we going to instigate a 'special signal' to show others that you are not pissed, just speeding so its OK to warn me about something I should be looking out for myself?
At the end of the day you got caught, we all do at some stage and at some stage you have to take responsibility for yourself....

I do take responsibility for myself. That doesn't detract from the argument that there are times when it's appropriate to look out for and warn each other. What part of that is so hard to understand? Are you saying you would NEVER look out for another biker and help them out in such a way: that there are NEVER times when that's appropriate? Yes or no?

[Str8 Jacket]

I do take responsibility for myself.

No you don't. If you did then this thread would never had eventuated...

[Ixion]

Yes, there is a hazard - the arraogant basterd of the oncoming bike that thinks the road is their reserved racetrack?

What abou the original post, or any other, implies any sort of race track behaviour? Any why do you catorgorise every other rider as an "arrogant bastard" ?

And as far as entrapment goes - there's no guarantee that the "speed 'trap'" will be visible anyway... try buying a radar detector and seeing where they hide; try to outfox a laser gun when the cop has discretion to NOT ping vehicles they consider to be not at risk, but sample those they do.

Best suggestion - if he wants to "play" tag with PC Plod in the world of illegal speeds, get a radar detector - better still, go to more track days?

You appear confused. Why do you regard speedinf as acceptable if the rider has a radar detector, but not other wise ?

Les, this really saddens me. I ride daily, do about 200kms a week on average... I will "tip my hat" to other road users - always have - but I won't warn of police stop points etc unless I consider them to be either road hazard in themselves (bad positioning) or creating one (backlog). They are there to protect me as well as everyone else, and you want their help in crashes/emergencies as well - you take the good with the bad. That you don't consider me "staunch" enough for NOT condoning the kind of riding that usually ends up the the papers with the headlines implying "suicidal rider tops himself again" with or without the byline of "takes innocent(s) with him" really makes me wonder what you want for BRONZ? Certainly makes me wonder why I should bother joining, and how anti-bike elements are going to use this attitude against all bikers if BRONZ is ever seen as the national "mouthpiece"?

Again, you are putting your own extreme and unjustofoed construction on matters. What in this thread has any relation to the kind of riding that usually ends up the the papers with the headlines implying "suicidal rider tops himself again" with or without the byline of "takes innocent(s) with him". This is a straw man that you have created out of thin air on no grounds whatsoever. You appear to regard any other rider as an enemy . Why are you so hostile to other riders?

I rather suspect that you may be paret of the reaosn why an organisation such as BRONZ is necessary.

I'm sorry - been getting back further into touring & group rides over the last 6 months, and IMHO a lot of riders need a lot LESS encouragement to their "exhuberant" riding style (wheelies, passing on blind corners, speeding, dangerous overtaking - all with zero tolerance for error, let alone bad roads) not any justification of righteous indignation that they're being persecuted by being forced to follow the laws of the land...

Advice to the original poster - get a radar detector, and start saving for the fines anyway - the laser gun will likely still get you - then you can do your own thing and not have to care if other people condone your speeds. Might also pay to get a GPS with an overspeed warning, so you can set it to warn you **just below** the overspeed that'll give you enough demerits to put you unlicenced, given any previous "problems"... that way you'll still have one last chance (unless you want to ride unlicenced & uninsured and sod everyone else?)

Good riding, all.

Again - why do you regard speeding if protected by a radar detectror as acceptable, but not otherwise.

ANd why, if you never speed, do you need such a powerful motorcycle?

[Ixion]

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NOTE: there's also a law that says you cant warn people about police presence, so you're actualy bitching about people not breaking a law to aid you in breaking a law

I know of no such law. Please cite your authority for a claim which you appear to have made up from thin air.

[Crasherfromwayback]

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves. Out of interest, is there a way in which you fifth columnists identify each other?

Regardless, I'm relieved that there are still some decent people on here (and on the roads).

I'm with you 100% there!

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you're speeding you're obviously not giving two f&#cks about the other vehicles on the road.

You serious?

[Ixion]

True!

Those codes were established when there were only a few of us about and the roads were as bad as the bikes we rode!

As conditions and equipment improve we have to suffer the attitudes of the less dedicated, such is the price of "progress"!

There are precious few of the old school left, alas. Once, in the late 1990s, the number of bikes on the road was declining so fast that I feared that before long I would be left alone, the last solitary biker. I was relieved when number started building up again some years ago. But now, I am not so sure.

"Bikers" who pass by another biker , broken down at the road side. "Bikers" who will not warn others of hazards ahead. "Bikers" who sneer at others , because they are not wearing the latest and most trendy 'gear'. No bikers they. Perhaps it would have been better if that downward trend had continued, at least the last bikers would have been bikers not posers.

[Ixion]

No, I kind of think the expectation you seem to have that everyone else is there to warn you of impending speed traps is an example of really quite selfish behaviour.

If you are speeding YOU are the one breaking the law, while I'm not one to judge (and I'm not in a position to do so!) I would like to point out that such acts can be construed as not giving two fucks about other road users.

What if next time it isn't a speed trap but is a cow on a blind bend?

So all of a sudden a person is not decent for failing in their duties as your personal police warning?

So then , you would likewise not attempt to warn the oncoming rider of the hazard (the dead cow)? And , likewise, sneer when the rider hits the cow?

[Ixion]

Bloody hell, people get upset cos they don't get waved at. I'd put money on it that if someone didn't get waved at, instead of thinking "Shit I better slow down, something ahead!" They'll be thinking "That bastard didn't wave at me! What a cunt!"

Unless we come up with a set of specific waves for certain upcoming conditions I think we should all take responsibility for our own riding.

If anyone sees a red GL145 flying around Christchurch and Rangiora, feel free not to warn me of upcoming hazards such as speed traps. I'll take the ticket and I promise not to moan about it. If there's other hazards about I'll deal with those too by keeping my eyes open and watching the road ahead of me.

The convention of signals to warn of hazards (or their absence) is well established and has been documenteted here more than once.