They are not all bad cops

[Grubber]

one should obey the law of the land or leave the land!

Pay up if ya don't. We all know the rules!

And this would happen how many time compared to all the stuff done buy the book??? f all... it's just we hear about it all the time when it does

So true....and we only hear about it from fellas like DB.

Hey DB gotta wonder why you even bothered calling the police when there was a scary man on your section.Seen as you have such a low regard for them. Or did you put on your meek and mild I dont have a keyboard to hid behind face that day.

I wonder how difficult it would be for him to rely on police in his time of need knowing how much he despises them.

i got pinged just before cheviot comin home from the BURT a couple of years ago..........127 passin cars on passin lanes,nice sunny day etc..............i made a lame attempt at humour and clemency sayin...."aww come on...its been a great trip so far...you dont wanna ruin it by giving me a ticket do you......."
He did.....but wrote it dowm to 119 ks saving me 15 demerit points...........I too thanked him for a fair deal i thought.Then had a chat for ten minutes about bikes etc.
A decent bloke doing an otherwise thankless task

They not that bad really eh?

Me too, pinged on the way back from the vincent county rally a few years ago. Those long stretches of road by the vineyards outside of Blenheim, no traffic, the 1000 yard stare of a tired fella almost at the ferry and a mufti coming in the opposite direction. Boing lights, aaaahhhh 135, pull over. No he asked me how quickly i was going (gotta think that's a trick question). I said "125?"and he agreed in a slightly reluctant tone... he was a fuckin good fella, we talked when i got off the bike, talked after the ticket and i dare venture that if he had been in the car himself he MAY have let me off with it, as he was in no hurry to take his pad out! But hey, it coulda been much worse.

WOW! Another "not bad really" story. So where are all these heathen coppers we seem to hear about so often.

[Edbear]

Funnily enough, I also had a positive experience with a police officer today after getting a warning about speed.

They're just normal folks who have to deal with an incredible amount of bullshit in dealing with the general populace.

We should have national hug-a-cop day or something.

I agree! There was this really tall slim blond in a shop I was in the other day. She was very pretty and smiled at me as she left with her shorter male partner. I felt like giving her a hug and commending her on her efforts to keep us safe, but I thought she may misinterpret my intentions and beat the living daylights out of me instead...

problem here is we are finding it acceptable to get a speeding ticket for 19 kms or so over the limit on a country road.............
as long as the cop is "friendly".......
something wrong when we start thanking the Speed Nazi's for giving us a fine

There's something wrong with your reasoning...

From experience, that might work 1% of the time. The other 99%, the driver will just say 'oh we are waiting for our sober driver' and the cop can do nothing. In fact, even sitting in the car with the keys in the ignition is sometimes not enough to prove intent. the cop might as well walk into the bar and say 'don't drink and drive' for all the effect that the carpark discussion will have. now i know the result of letting someone drive off and missing them, but when it comes to reasoning with people that have been drinking - the punitive instead of proactive message is the one that gets through.

Sadly you are right. These idiots know they shouldn't be driving but they couldn't care less.

To all the whingers. How would you do it? Why not do away with the speed limit all together since so many are good drivers/riders with good judgement and don't need to be told how fast to travel? Why not have exemptions for the good drivers/riders so you don't have to obey the law?

There are places you can speed legally and show everyone just how good you are and get your thrills without having Grandad in his Corolla pull out in front of you.

But because it costs a fee, you'd rather break the law anytime you please and whinge when you suffer the consequences which are very well known and warned of. How many bike accidents lately are attributed to speed? Notice most of the fatalities are where the biker has been speeding and lost control? These dead people no doubt considered they were good riders and could handle it... Just like you...

There are countries that have higher speed limits you could move there. Personally, the standard of driving/riding in this country, and I've been on group rides, is generally appalling and my only wonder is that the road toll isn't three times what it is!

[3umph]

Did he thank you for your contribution to the Consolidated Fund? (No discretion being exercised there eh?)

Of course he was nice to you, he was emptying your wallet and yes, that's his job. You say in your story that there was nothing on the road, so where's the danger in rolling along at 119kph?

Travelling at that insane pace you'll kill us all, you know.

In fact I was traveling faster but was clocked at 119kph under brakes.... hey speed does not kill... its the impact at the end that does...

[3umph]

Did he thank you for your contribution to the Consolidated Fund? (No discretion being exercised there eh?)

Of course he was nice to you, he was emptying your wallet and yes, that's his job.

A bikeshop emptied more of my wallet doing stuff that I did not ask for and I ended up contributing to there profit margin as well... whats the difference

[PrincessBandit]

Funnily enough,........We should have national hug-a-cop day or something.

Your thoughts scumdog? We'd love to hug you!

Yes little miss do goodie.....

I thought that was my title, but I'm happy to share.

I agree! There was this really tall slim blond in a shop I was in the other day. She was very pretty and smiled at me as she left with her shorter male partner. I felt like giving her a hug and commending her on her efforts to keep us safe, but I thought she may misinterpret my intentions and beat the living daylights out of me instead...

That would probably depend on whether you were offering her sweeties at the same time and a ride...

[Indoo]

. So why the exercise in entrapment in preference to a little bit of preventative maintenance?

I can't see how on earth that could even remotely be considered entrapment. If the Police had given her the alcohol, make her drink it, gave her the car keys, point her in its direction and opened the door for her you might have had a point. And old fashioned would be her accepting the consequences for her actions, her and her family blaming the Police for her actions is a very modern phenomenon.

[Kinje]

From experience, that might work 1% of the time. The other 99%, the driver will just say 'oh we are waiting for our sober driver' and the cop can do nothing. In fact, even sitting in the car with the keys in the ignition is sometimes not enough to prove intent. the cop might as well walk into the bar and say 'don't drink and drive' for all the effect that the carpark discussion will have. now i know the result of letting someone drive off and missing them, but when it comes to reasoning with people that have been drinking - the punitive instead of proactive message is the one that gets through.

I'm not sure how the case turned out, but what about the case in Wellington of police charging a women who walked into the station saying 'I shouldn't be driving'?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...k-driving-case

[huff3r]

To all the whingers. How would you do it? Why not do away with the speed limit all together since so many are good drivers/riders with good judgement and don't need to be told how fast to travel? Why not have exemptions for the good drivers/riders so you don't have to obey the law?

There are places you can speed legally and show everyone just how good you are and get your thrills without having Grandad in his Corolla pull out in front of you.

But because it costs a fee, you'd rather break the law anytime you please and whinge when you suffer the consequences which are very well known and warned of. How many bike accidents lately are attributed to speed? Notice most of the fatalities are where the biker has been speeding and lost control? These dead people no doubt considered they were good riders and could handle it... Just like you...

There are countries that have higher speed limits you could move there. Personally, the standard of driving/riding in this country, and I've been on group rides, is generally appalling and my only wonder is that the road toll isn't three times what it is!

I agree entirely! If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding, right? so how come if someone gets pinged and fined for the same thing, suddenly its the cops fault?
Doesnt make any sense to me, maybe im just young and stupid, and have too much respect for the rules?

[AD345]

I agree entirely! If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding, right? so how come if someone gets pinged and fined for the same thing, suddenly its the cops fault?
Doesnt make any sense to me, maybe im just young and stupid, and have too much respect for the rules?

Think this through a minute. The imposition of speed limits is, for the most part, completely arbitrary. This is evidencec by the ease with which they were changed pre and post the oil shocks of the '70s (remember the blanket 80kmh open road speed limit?) and also by the latest moves mooted to rate all our roads similar to what is done iin some aussie states (which will likely lead to a whole lot of Karangaheke Gorge type limts...........but thats a whole nother post).

So - with all that in mind, where do you determine the guilt should lie in your hypothetical "If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding"?. The rider because they were exceeding the posted speed limit? There is no science behind that limit and it could quite easily be changed up or down by political whim.

When are you speeding?

What is speeding?

Most people, upon thinking about it, would say that 'speeding" is going to fast for the conditions, as evidenced by there being an accident in the first place.

Even ignoring the myriad alternate explanations that must inevitably lead to the reverse being true, riding to the conditions could mean exceeding the posted (arbitrary) speed limit.

respect for rules is one thing - blind adherance is another.

Become an educated citizen not a slave to propaganda

[pc220]

I agree entirely! If someone gets hurt/killed because they were speeding its their fault for speeding, right? so how come if someone gets pinged and fined for the same thing, suddenly its the cops fault?
Doesnt make any sense to me, maybe im just young and stupid, and have too much respect for the rules?

Because this is the age of ' all the rights and no responsibility" thanks alot PC brigade.

[huff3r]

respect for rules is one thing - blind adherance is another.

Become an educated citizen not a slave to propaganda

I dunno about you, but i dont see following laws as being a slave to propaganda. By your reasoning then if i make an educated decision that beating someone up who threatens me is ok, then i should do it? It is not blind adherance, because i can see reason and logic in the idea of a speed limit. Many studies have proved that one of the greatest dangers on the road is speed DIFFERENCES between vehicles, i.e a vehicle travelling considerably faster/slower than the others presents a major hazard, either through causing others to have to overtake dangerously/overtaking dangerously themselves, or even causing an accident coming round a bend and spotting a vehicle travelling potentially 100km slower than themselves! The speed limit is the greatest factor in helping to equalise the speed that the majority of vehicles on the road travel at, and therefore i believe it should be respected. Not saying i follow it all the time, but if i get caught i KNOW it is MY fault.

Slave? Not I.

[AD345]

I dunno about you, but i dont see following laws as being a slave to propaganda. By your reasoning then if i make an educated decision that beating someone up who threatens me is ok, then i should do it? It is not blind adherance, because i can see reason and logic in the idea of a speed limit. Many studies have proved that one of the greatest dangers on the road is speed DIFFERENCES between vehicles, i.e a vehicle travelling considerably faster/slower than the others presents a major hazard, either through causing others to have to overtake dangerously/overtaking dangerously themselves, or even causing an accident coming round a bend and spotting a vehicle travelling potentially 100km slower than themselves! The speed limit is the greatest factor in helping to equalise the speed that the majority of vehicles on the road travel at, and therefore i believe it should be respected. Not saying i follow it all the time, but if i get caught i KNOW it is MY fault.

Slave? Not I.

Fair points all

I don't necessarily agree with your reasoning on all points but at least you have put some thought into your position and that is all anyone could ask for

[peasea]

A bikeshop emptied more of my wallet doing stuff that I did not ask for and I ended up contributing to there profit margin as well... whats the difference

Probably the only difference is; you might (just might) get your money back from the bike shop if you pushed the issue. If you didn't ask for the work and haven't told you it needed doing (and you agreed to them doing it) they shouldn't do it.

[Spearfish]

One reason why cops cant be more discretionary is if you have a large stack of *555 calls against your plates in the same day.

Will it be a good thing when traffic cars are fitted with evidential video cameras?

[3umph]

Probably the only difference is; you might (just might) get your money back from the bike shop if you pushed the issue. If you didn't ask for the work and haven't told you it needed doing (and you agreed to them doing it) they shouldn't do it.

I got some reduction but but overall f all... that was mainly to me saying I was not paying for the oil and filter change as it was writtin in the w/shop diary not to
I did not ask for the new brakepads, changing of brake fluid, lubing my brand new chain or them stripping a rocker cover bolt so it had a leak so they said I needed a new rockercover gasket but when they installed that it still leaked so worked out the bolt was stripped so it had to he helicoiled meaning my original should of been ok....funny thing is I know if I strip a bolt... would of thought a mechanic would also of known...
All I got when I picked the bike was oh well it needed to be done etc etc...

it went in for valve shims, plugs, balance throtle bodies, tune up and replace the fuel filter and I got everything + heaps of extras and no fuel filter change all for well over twice the price I hand been expecting from a price enquirey I did before finally booking it in for the job.... after talking to the shop owner later on I did get another $70 off but it still was over twice I expected... I definatly wont go there again...

I was speeding so I got a fine for exceeding the posted limit so expected a fine which I got... did not get overcharged and I was offered a friendly service