Own a White, 80's Honda Prelude? Sucks to be you!

**StoneChucker** · 10th May 2005, 21:56

Especially if you live in the Waikato (I think...) The police over there are trying to investigate every owner of such a vehicle, in a murder case. One guy selling his on TradeMe got a visit from the cops, made (felt he had no choice) to sign a document saying he was a murder suspect, finger printed and DNA tested...

Hmmmmm, that seems a LITTLE harsh to me. I'd have been like "AY! Respect mah authorotai!!!" (And THEN I'd have signed, like the whimp I am

)

**SPORK** · 10th May 2005, 22:46

You mean you wouldn't of hopped on your WheelThing and roden off into the sunset?

Good plan

**Waylander** · 10th May 2005, 22:48

Good thing I don't own a car else they might come after me and then try to tie it in to the imigrant insurance scam thing...

**Flyingpony** · 10th May 2005, 23:12

Quoting: http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1894.php

It's in Christchurch actually.

**Lou Girardin** · 12th May 2005, 10:29

Who would voluntarily give DNA samples?
Or is this more of the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" syndrome.

**Quasievil** · 12th May 2005, 10:36

i would give them absolutely nothing without either a court order or warrant or at least have my lawyer approve it

NZ cops have before stitched up people to close a case, I think thats a lesson for us to remember.
Dont ask for examples I have about 5, but Arthur Allen Thomas would be the one I will let you know about. the others are fairly recent.

**Eurodave** · 12th May 2005, 11:22

As a matter of fact The Pleece visited me 2 days ago here in Hornby, Christchurch about this very thing!!! Ive got a white '85 Prelude [as have 10s of thousands of other NZers] only thing is, mines WHITE & BLUE TWO-TONE & has BLUE RACING STRIPES as well, and yet I still got the 3rd degree!!
I very nearly made a comment ref it being about time they tried to catch bad guys instead of revenue raising, but restrained myself

**spudchucka** · 12th May 2005, 13:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Who would voluntarily give DNA samples?
Or is this more of the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" syndrome.

You can give a voluntary suspect elimination sample that is compared to crime scene samples and then disposed of. Samples given for this purpose are not able to be retained on a database.

**spudchucka** · 12th May 2005, 13:34

Originally Posted by Quasievil

i would give them absolutely nothing without either a court order or warrant or at least have my lawyer approve it

NZ cops have before stitched up people to close a case, I think thats a lesson for us to remember.
Dont ask for examples I have about 5, but Arthur Allen Thomas would be the one I will let you know about. the others are fairly recent.

The cops don't manage the DNA databank. It is managed by the ESR who are also the people that do the scientific analysis of all crime scene and suspect DNA samples.

http://www.esr.co.nz/
http://www.esr.co.nz/features/esr_and_dna/index.htm

Some reading if you are interested.

**StoneChucker** · 12th May 2005, 16:57

Originally Posted by Flyingpony

Quoting: http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1894.php

It's in Christchurch actually.

Thanks, but did you notice my "(I think)" after Waikato?

Thanks for the correction, my brain is very frazzled lately...

**Lou Girardin** · 12th May 2005, 17:02

Originally Posted by spudchucka

You can give a voluntary suspect elimination sample that is compared to crime scene samples and then disposed of. Samples given for this purpose are not able to be retained on a database.

Oh, a VSE, why didn't you say so. That's OK then.

**Lou Girardin** · 12th May 2005, 17:03

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The cops don't manage the DNA databank. It is managed by the ESR who are also the people that do the scientific analysis of all crime scene and suspect DNA samples.

http://www.esr.co.nz/
http://www.esr.co.nz/features/esr_and_dna/index.htm

Some reading if you are interested.

I trust them too, just like David Dougherty does.

**Ixion** · 12th May 2005, 17:06

Originally Posted by spudchucka

The cops don't manage the DNA databank. It is managed by the ESR who are also the people that do the scientific analysis of all crime scene and suspect DNA samples.

http://www.esr.co.nz/
http://www.esr.co.nz/features/esr_and_dna/index.htm

Some reading if you are interested.

Personally I wouldn't trust the ESR to test for alcohol in a brewery.

**StoneChucker** · 12th May 2005, 17:26

Look, you all know my feelings on the police/ESR, I have nothing against them at all. I would however be very hesitant in giving a DNA sample (UNLESS it was to a fine female officer, in a private setting

) whether they said it would be retained or not.

It wouldn't suprise me if it was found in the future, that VSE's were infact being kept on record... And, I really do have nothing to hide, but it's the principle.

I also disagree with them intimidating people into giving in to what they want. Even with my current feelings, I think that the police could scare me into giving samples if they said the right things - which is wrong

**spudchucka** · 12th May 2005, 20:23

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I trust them too, just like David Dougherty does.

DNA evidence exonerated him, it didn't convict him. I would think that Mr Dougherty has every reason to feel extremely grateful to the ESR and to the general development of DNA forensic science.