"Motorcycles push the limits of speed, safety"

[Sutage]

I might be wrong but everything I'm saying here is just my point of view. I'm not basing it on anything other than my own experiances so I'm allowed to be wrong. If someone wants to go and get imself and R1 or a Ducati 998 or whatever he should be allowed to IF he can prove that he is mature/smart enough to handle it withough being a dick and doin wheelies and stoppies at every chance. Kids and teenagers will allways mimick what they see isn't this the same reason we have boy racers? They see drivers on tv racing or doing burnouts and what not then they want to go out and do them. Same thing with riders. They see guys on the race tracks taking corners at whatever speed and guys doing stunting and such and think I can do that then go out and by a big thou bike becouse that's what they ride on tv and start doin that crap. If for instance everyone that bought a first bike regardless of age had to go to a rider training in order to actually get the keys we would see less and less of these idiots.

True enough, but fact is, my SR250 cant turn corners at 200kph. My SR250 cant even go 200kph. A GSXR1000 or whatever can. So i CANT mimick what they do on TV because i can only ride a 250. Fact is when you sit a restricted or fulll or whatever test, you do everything by the book, its a lot different (for most ppl) when you are out riding by yourself, when your mates are there, when chicks (boys for you girls) are around. And especially when alcohol is around. A 250 is much more limitied than a 1000 especially when you put in real world factors, not driving around a carpark going through cones.

[XP@]

The list is a good idea,
same should apply to cars too!

a few years ago I used to work for an insurance broker. a client had just got his L licence and wanted a quote for a car insurance.
when I told him 2500 pounds he asked why... i told him it's cos im quoting you on an escort rs1800 turbo... try a 1.1 fiesta.
anyway he called later that day (friday) on a cell phone to confirm cover, I couldent hear him tried to tell him that but he aparently did not hear me.
The monday after i got the news he was in hospital, in a coma. he had not made it back home from the car dealer.

[Waylander]

True enough, but fact is, my SR250 cant turn corners at 200kph. My SR250 cant even go 200kph. A GSXR1000 or whatever can. So i CANT mimick what they do on TV because i can only ride a 250. Fact is when you sit a restricted or fulll or whatever test, you do everything by the book, its a lot different (for most ppl) when you are out riding by yourself, when your mates are there, when chicks (boys for you girls) are around. And especially when alcohol is around. A 250 is much more limitied than a 1000 especially when you put in real world factors, not driving around a carpark going through cones.

Ok I'll agree with that. Maybe some combination of the two is needed? Maybe have the graduated system but have things to shorten the time between classes ie: certain period with no accidents/speeding tickits and such aswell as safty courses and more mandatory safty courses. In the states they have some of these that are free to riders becouse they are government funded. Only problem is that they are from local government such as state governer or in some states not even that just the city council. And anybody who mixes alchohol and bikes/cars deserves to crash. Only problem is they usually end up hurting others rather than themselfs.

[Fart]

All new riders sitting for a learners and restricted should go through an authroised riding school. This should ensure that all riders with a full licence have been through a standard that is acceptable to all. Cagers should also sit a separate exams that is specific to the safety of bikers.

[Sutage]

yeh you should be able to shorten the time between getting them by doing courses, and i think to make more ppl do them they should be cheaper.. maybe the govt pay half? yeah right.. but hey maybe

and yeh anyone who rides/drive under the influence is danger to himself and everyone around them, and need to be taken off the road, driving is dangerous enough without adding that:P

[Waylander]

All new riders sitting for a learners and restricted should go through an authroised riding school. This should ensure that all riders with a full licence have been through a standard that is acceptable to all. Cagers should also sit a separate exams that is specific to the safety of bikers.

The first part may actually happen if government agencies ever get smart (hitchers group being the exception ) but the second part will never happen unless thier teacher is a biker and tells the students to watch out. Hey that's an idea. Anybody know what is required to become a driver education teacher?

[Fart]

You need alot of patience and have a good personality to be a driver trainer. If you cannot hold your temper teaching your girlfriend or partner to drive then being a driver trainer is not for you.

I, for one can never be one.

[Waylander]

You need alot of patience and have a good personality to be a driver trainer. If you cannot hold your temper teaching your girlfriend or partner to drive then being a driver trainer is not for you.

I, for one can never be one.

I should be allright there. Well during the times that my bike works anyway. But seriously is there any kind of special experiance they need to have or are they just people that have had thier licence for X number of years?

[Waylander]

Here is an idea we can do. Set up days where the more experianced riders ( I say this becouse some young guys can teach the older folks a thing or two) get together with a bunch of newbs and teach them all the safty stuff. It would mainly be for people on this site to learn more but if we put up a few fliers at the shops and the riding course places people will see it and probably come along. Not a full fix and it would require people on here to give up some of thier free time but it would help keep alot of accidents from happening. It could be something kinda like how the track days help to teach how to ride on a track and such. Could do it a bit like Feint's noob ride the other week. Just a basic idea if anybody has any suggestions for it I'm listening.

[Sutage]

Id definately be keen, i wanna do a CBTA thing but 250 bucks? meh can buy a lot of stuff for that! like the Rocky DVD set, twice !

[Waylander]

Id definately be keen, i wanna do a CBTA thing but 250 bucks? meh can buy a lot of stuff for that! like the Rocky DVD set, twice !

This wouldn't cut down on the time you have to wait to upgrade your licence though. It's just something to help with rider education. Maybe if it gets big enough we can try to make it count but the odds of that happening....

[Sutage]

Shrug, it'd help me be alive longer so i can sit the tests

Someone should fully find out what it takes to become a trainer guy tho, youd get heaps of business if u made it cheaper

[Biff]

Good idea Waylander. The problem faced by newbies (no disrespect guys n gals) is that they have little, if any, road sense. At least in terms of motorbike riding - such as road positioning, making yourself visible to other road user, corner positioning etc. In addition I doubt whether their hazard perception radars are tuned in yet. I know for a fact that it took several years for me to tune mine in to a decent enough level, and I'm still tuning.

I guess that those of us more experienced riders owe it to help out where we can.

The downside of this type of type of exercise is that there may be some of us more experienced riders that may posses bad riding habits. I've a good mate that is a dab hand at pulling wheelies and can really throw a bike around a set of twisties, far better than I can, and everyone thinks he's a brilliant rider. Granted he's a brilliant stunt rider (he's not a KBer before I piss anyone here off!), but he's a liability in traffic, an accident waiting to happen, and I cringe when we used to ride together.

I'm by no means perfect either and have a lot to learn, as does everybody here. If there's a single person here that doesn’t feel they have a thing to learn, then I say you're full of shit, your dangerous and your ego is even bigger than mine.

[Lou Girardin]

Maybe if the cretins wore helmets and didn't ride pissed so many wouldn't die.

[Waylander]

Good idea Waylander. The problem faced by newbies (no disrespect guys n gals) is that they have little, if any, road sense. At least in terms of motorbike riding - such as road positioning, making yourself visible to other road user, corner positioning etc. In addition I doubt whether their hazard perception radars are tuned in yet. I know for a fact that it took several years for me to tune mine in to a decent enough level, and I'm still tuning.

I guess that those of us more experienced riders owe it to help out where we can.

The downside of this type of type of exercise is that there may be some of us more experienced riders that may posses bad riding habits. I've a good mate that is a dab hand at pulling wheelies and can really throw a bike around a set of twisties, far better than I can, and everyone thinks he's a brilliant rider. Granted he's a brilliant stunt rider (he's not a KBer before I piss anyone here off!), but he's a liability in traffic, an accident waiting to happen, and I cringe when we used to ride together.

I'm by no means perfect either and have a lot to learn, as does everybody here. If there's a single person here that doesn’t feel they have a thing to learn, then I say you're full of shit, your dangerous and your ego is even bigger than mine.

Well maybe it can be a whole group thing where everyone gets to have pointers done on thier riding. As I said before even the young pups can teach you old dogs new thricks. I'm only half serious about this right now as I have my own stuff to fix but give me a month of doin research on it and pokin the brains of some of you old hands at orginizing and I'll get it started. For now we could use what was suggested in Pyrocam's video thread and have riders film thier rides or filming the rides of those that don't have cams and posting it so that people on here can give them advice and stuff.